Pyramidic

Perhaps Burnie_man could work out the Tier 7 split on a geographical basis.

Out of the above clubs is there any that have indicated that they will be definitely be staying in the East Region next season? At the moment there would appear to be "zilch" that have made such a commitment and all we are getting is unfounded bluster from the usual suspects.

Good question. Do Pumpherston propose to jump or follow the pack? We need a Dalkeith Mark II to get things moving and take us away from all the current speculation..

No need contemplate joining the pyramid system - if we are to believe that all Junior Clubs/Leagues ARE NOW TO BE IN - the clubs certainly will be part of the SFA Pyramid next season. The big question for clubs like Armadale Thistle is what Tier do you expect to be joining at? Tier 9 - SJFA East Region Premier League South? Tier 8 - SJFA East Region Superleague? Tier 7 - East of Scotland League Conference ....? NB: You could be at Tier 10 if SPFL3 is delivered! What is the view at Armadale? In my opinion the sooner we are one happy family the better.

Assuming the Juniors are part of the Pyramid for 2019/20 what will be the position if Champions of the SJFA West Region Premiership refuse to participate in the Play-offs or decline promotion to the Lowland League? Will promotion be made mandatory by the SFA? Will this still be the case if a Lowland League 2 is being created as mooted on the other thread? If the leading Junior clubs do not make their move to join the Lowland League over the next few months they could find themselves at Tier 7 in the pyramid if Lowland League 2 (Tier 6) becomes a reality. More to read at: https://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/index.php?/topic/258689-pyramid-20192020/&page=24

If Dalkeith and Blackburn (with their licensing applications being lined up) decide to make headway as early applicants for LL2, will the 2 clubs yet again lead another stampede? This time corralling the top clubs in the West as well as the East? If the original intention is to form say a 16 team LL2 and some 40 applications are generated won't there be a very strong temptation by the Lowland League management committee to go the "whole hog" for LL2 East and LL2 West? The "Pyramid tale" is absolutely fascinating and who at this moment knows how the 2019/20 season is going to unfold? It may just be fiction at the moment but there is beginning to appear strong overtones of reality.

Hurdles to overcome may also now include planning for LL2, what it will look like, criteria, and whether it will be in place for next season or the season after. If I recall correctly LL was set up in a very very short timescale. Why not LL2 over a similar period? What would be the main hurdles in setting up LL2 for next season? Other than TJ? Would there be any benefit in waiting for EOL Prem for 2019/20 and then transferring the WR Prem and EOL Prem to a new LL2W & LL2E for 2020/21? Or would it represent too many changes/instability over a short period.

The whole process in my view appears to lack firm leadership , innovation and tact from the SFA. Personally I think that the Pyramid issue is too fraught with entrenched views to be delivered purely on the basis of consensus at the PWG. The Juniors are the ones seeking entry to the Pyramid and obviously they are the ones that will now need to "bend" to be accommodated. Not the EoSL. The SFA are heading "up **** creek" to think otherwise.

The recent record of Glasgow University in the Scottish Cup does not help their case. http://www.fchd.info/GLASGUNI.HTM

Can you tell us what the position is re Glasgow University and the pyramid Robert? Do they intend to join the WR, SoS or remain as they are? Would the University be prepared to start at Tier 9 in the WR?

Thanks for the feedback. Was there any discussion on changes to the Licensing requirements and the implications for clubs like Dundonald Bluebell entering the Scottish Cup next season with Coldstream, Whitehill Welfare etc.? https://www.scottishfa.co.uk/scottish-cup/fixtures-results/ Will existing clubs like Coldstream have to meet tougher requirements? Will current Junior Clubs affiliated to the WRJFA and ERJFA be able to or encouraged to apply for a Licence?

Has TJ informed Junior Clubs when the next meeting of the Pyramid Working Group will be held? I would have thought that it would have been of much greater importance than "Player looking for club". http://www.scottishjuniorfa.com/sjfa/scottish_fa_news.cfm?page=1747 One of most important developments - the SFA Pyramid - in the history of Junior football and not a whisper on the Scottish Junior Football Association website.

SENIOR DEBUT FOR JEANFIELD Manager Ross Gunnion had this to say when asked about the new season and the future ahead for the club. "Here we are at the beginning of another season, albeit it’s not just any other season!" "In my 7 years as player and manager at this club I’ve not encountered a pre-season that has held this much excitement and optimism." "We’ve called time on 90 years in the Junior game and embarked on a new chapter in the clubs history, one which now sees Jeanfield Swifts enter the Senior ranks in the East of Scotland League." "Pre-Season has went well, even if it’s been a little rushed given the earlier than usual season opener for us. We’ve welcomed 5 new signings to the team and all have settled in well." "But now the real action starts and I’m excited to see how our existing players have improved and how our new additions will perform against a top class team in Bo’ness Utd." "As a start it couldn’t have been much tougher, but that’s a mark of where we are as a club. We have worked incredibly hard to get ourselves to a level where we are on an equal footing with teams like Bo’ness, Linlithgow Rose and Bonnyrigg Rose. We forged ourselves into the best Junior Club in Perthshire and we are now faced with new challenges and promotion to the Lowland League as the target for the club." "We’ll visit old friends and also travel to new grounds and form new relationships." "I for one am incredibly excited by what this season and the future will hold. We hope all our fans and supporters will feel the same and we’ll be doing our utmost to repay that support with results." Updated 21:54 - 27 Jul 2018 by Scott Cummings All the best to Jeanfield Swifts in their move over from Junior football. Clubs in the West Region will be watching their development with interest.

"Junior football, what is the future?" is a brilliant thread and one of my favourite memories will always be watching the dominoes fall one by one while on holiday in Cuba back in May. On the downside is that it is almost impossible to trawl back through 558 pages to identify a particular issue highlighted during the informed discussion. I started the "WoSFL Pyramid Deadline - SJFA or Club led" thread to cover the position in the West Region but I agree with BM that at times the new thread covered other issues already mentioned in the main thread. As the the OP for the WoSFL thread I can confirm that I did not delete the thread earlier in the week - nor did I receive any explanation for the deletion. My own view is that we were perhaps moving into territory that made the SJFA Executive feel highly uncomfortable with and that "noises" or "pressures" were made to P&B. However we all know that the issues raised will not be going away. Here we all are back on the main thread. NB: Is it possible BM to create a brief index at the beginning of the main thread? The way things are going it will not be so far away that we have 1,000 pages to trawl through.

Just in case anyone forgets the " WoSFL Pyramid Deadline - SJFA or Club led? " thread -28 pages and 24,000 views before destruction. I for one have always believed in free speech and did not expect the sort of censorship we have just seen. However, killing an informative thread will not halt Pyramid progess. Does anyone know the deadline that is being set for the formation of the West Region Tier 6 Pyramid? Q1. Have the clubs given the the SJFA a clear official mandate (instructions of desired outcome) regarding the SJFA as whole becoming part of the Pyramid? And the West Region in particular? Response: A clear mandate has not been provided or explicit requirements for the West Region. Q2. Is the SJFA Management properly committed to the Pyramid or will we just see further evasive delays? Response: We will see over the coming months whether SJFA will achieve a successful outcome from their dialogue with the SFA/PWG to join the Pyramid. Q3. Was a realistice deadline set at the SJFA West Region Annual General Meeting which will enable the West Region to retain control of the emerging WoSFL? Or will we lose control? Response: It has been confirmed that whilst the West AGM dealt with their re-organisation, there was no discussion on the Pyramid or the likelihood of a WoSFL being set-up over the next 12 months. Q4. Can the SJFA Management (TJ) be trusted to broker a good deal for the West Region with the Pyramid Working Group / SFA within an agreed timescale? Or should the West Region take over negotiations? Response: Time will tell. I would suggest that a firm deadline is set for 31st January 2019 for the formation of a West Region controlled WoSFL which will enable all WR clubs to transfer over to the Pyramid for 2019/20. If this deadline cannot be met by the above date then a Club led initiative should begin (in earnest) on 1st February 2019 with the support of the EoSFL.

Does anyone know why the thread - WoSFL Pyramid Deadline - SJFA or Club led? - was destroyed?

Great to see the progress at Ormiston. For more of the latest photos see: http://nonleaguescotland.org.uk/ormiston.htm

Hope the Hoose have a great night tonight.

Very difficult to post on the P&B site today - stretching of the adverts on the side-bars is hiding the "submit reply" button. Tends to be worse in Firefox than Chrome.

Fauldhouse United title winners are to reunite for charity match on July 14 which will be played at played at the Fauldhouse Partnership Centre with a 2pm kick-off. The 2012/13 South Division champs will take on Eastwood Mearns, managed by former United physio Steven Sharp, with proceeds going to Crohn's and Colitis UK. Source: https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/local-sport/fauldhouse-united-title-winners-reunite-12818750

Time for a new thread covering the 2018/19 season. Wishing Hoose all the very best for the new season and will be watching results with interest. Lots of great info in last season's 2017/18 thread - see

Great photos and a great day for the Rose along with a lot of good publicity.

Best of luck today - wish I could be at Prestonfield.