Kuro

Who cares?

Generally based on by whom? It's always based on success, and Real Madrid wipe the floor with everybody else when it comes to that. Supported base is a factor too, and they win there as well. They've won the CL more than Man Utd, Liverpool and Juventus put together. They are unquestionably the world's number one club, it's not even close.

Man Utd could make a case for second though personally Barcelona for me, but theyre definitely not first, not even close.

https://www.businessinsider.com/the-20-most-popular-rich-list-football-teams-on-social-media-2018-8?r=US&IR=T#5-bayern-munich-657-million-followers-16 Oh look 114 million Man Utd fans, 201 million Real Madrid. Shocker.

Real Madrid are the biggest supported team in the world and could buy Man Utd tomorrow. There's no dispute, they are by far the world's number one club. Thirteen CL wins doesn't lie, all the best players in the world, every transfer record. Man Utd aren't even close to them, not even in the same league. You won't see Ashley fucking Young captaining Real Madrid any time soon. Man Utd aren't even second. Remind me again, was it Real Madrid or Man Utd that just won the CL for the third time in a row?

It's still a.shameful thing to.do for a guy who has grown up in Scotland, inexcusable behaviour and reflects very badly on him.

No just English, due to the quota factor. Each team has to have a number of English players, and the short supply of good ones dictates the price goes up for them exponentially. Also they are hugely overhyped. They are generally about double or three times as much as they're actually worth.

They probably did the best they could with the players they have, the players they have are shite. That's what happens when you give Mourinho a team and some money.

I can't remember, do we get a veto in WM as part of the UK?

Real Madrid are the biggest club in the world not Man Utd. And Moyes did quite decent at Sociedad and Sunderland.

Moyes also did a passable job at Sunderland (bear in mind they were relegated from the Championship the following season as they were an utter shambles, and the first thing he said after taking the job was if he knew the mess of the club he wouldn't have taken it) and was doing okay at Sociedad too. Managers get fired all the time in Spain, its really not much of a reflection on anything after a few months. He also equalled Mourinho's first season at Man Utd after hundreds of millions had been spent and he only got buttons. He's done at least a 6/10 at every club he's ever been at, its just not true to suggest otherwise. Would not be my first choice but very solid appointment, and would stay for quite a while.

Just a wee correction as it always annoys me, the biggest club in the world are Real Madrid.

Not in Scotland.

Mixu, you're a good poster and better than that. You need to understand Ireland's economy in 2008, It was sewn up in property. Ireland will be perfectly fine charting its own route. Ireland is booming right now with businesses relocating from London to Dublin because of brexit.

That's horrendous, she should go to jail for that.

No but will be on less favourable terms for the UK than right now. We have a choice of being in the club with the great deal or in the club with the shit deal.

We will definitely leave, or many politicians in England will pay with their job, and some maybe with more than that. If we don't there is no mandate for indyref2 so it wouldn't happen.

Trade with the UK will not cease after independence.

Support for remain in Scotland was 72% last week. If its independence in the EU, which it will be, there's no danger we lose. Imo guaranteed yes vote, that's why WM won't allow a vote as they know that too. It will also become blindingly obvious that economically being out of the EU is hugely damaging.

Cause they know they're on the wrong side of history. and that they're likely to lose too.

We've also had an election in which Scotland voted to hold an independence referendum in this parliament. She is doing what the voters instructed her to do. Scotland also voted remain, so she is abiding by their views too, and didn't declare independence after indyref1, so a fail all round for you I'm afraid.

Or we have a mandate for a referendum in this parliament and plan to use it. This is what Scotland voted for after all.

Why would that be weird? Its a simple fact. And yes it is, another industry we will be subsidising them with for decades if we don't leave.

The 2008 financial crash that decimated the UK economy represented a temporary drop of 2% in GDP. Losing oil would be a permanent drop, and that is only the tax on oil companies taking oil out of the sea. They also pay corporation tax, which typically contributes 16-17% of the UK's entire corporation tax take. Anyone claiming oil isn't a huge part of the UK economy is simply lying.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11373208/Falling-oil-price-a-curse-not-a-tax-cut-for-British-economy.html A few quotes from those two articles, in the massively SNP supporting DAILY FUCKING TELEGRAPH "The industry around Aberdeen is vital to the overall health of the UK economy providing one of the few reliable sources of revenue for the Government since drilling began around the North east coast of Scotland in the early 70s. Around 450,000 people are employed in the oil and gas industry across the UK and in the financial year ending 2013 the Government earned £6.5bn in taxes from petroleum producers." "Since the first oil produced off the north-east coast of Scotland arrived for processing onshore in the summer of 1975, more than 43bn barrels of crude have been pumped. That crude has been worth around £1.4 trillion – a figure greater than the country’s entire national debt – based on an average oil price over the period of $50 per barrel. However, that sum doesn’t come close to reflecting the true value of the North Sea to the British economy." "Would the UK have been able to afford a free-to-access National Health Service without the North Sea oil windfall which has arguably helped to fund it?" "Total tax receipts from oil and gas production from the UK Continental Shelf (UKCS) since 1975 have exceeded £330bn but that figure doesn’t reflect the worth of the industry to the Treasury. The North Sea supports the employment of around 450,000 people in the UK, all of whom pay income tax and spend their wages on the usual things such as homes and new cars." "And this is why the country cannot afford to give up on its shrinking offshore oil and gas industry, despite the protests of the climate change lobby and economic cranks who dismiss its overall importance to British society. " The UK has basically nothing left of any tangible value, we make nothing, have no natural resources left, except oil. Its all services and financial instruments. Oil is the jewel in the crown of the UK economy, and if we leave we take all of it. A good rule of thumb is the more WM tells you oil is worthless and unimportant (slogan for 79 devo referendum 'Gone by 1990', Darling during 2014 referendum 'oil will run out by 2017') the more important it is and the more they can't afford to lose it.