Carnoustie Young Guvnor

Have we? Lets see you post one transphobic thing said member has ever posted then.....

That's not gonna happen. The woke Nazis do not tolerate any dissent whatsoever. You can't even ask a question, ask for clarification or explanation, express any dissent. You comply fully with their beliefs, and that's what they are just beliefs not facts, or you're a bigot. That's it, end of story. So any hope for a grown-up conversation is forlorn. I've asked before on here can anyone give an example of even one transphobic thing Joanna Cherry has ever said or done in her entire life and nobody can give even one example. That tells you where we are. Read why Andy Wightman left the Greens, same thing.

That's good, shame more aren't like that.

I think a split is coming. The best hope is that NS has to step down in a few weeks, then the party could maybe begin to be repaired.

She didn't.

Yeah, even to want to discuss certain aspects or ask questions get you immediately branded a bigot. Dissent of any form is not tolerated. Its amazing people can't see how dangerous that is. Cherry's only 'crime' is to believe biology is real. She doesn't want to take any rights away from trans people, or deny them the right to live their lives how they please. And she is someone who has fought for equal rights all her adult life and faced decades of discrimination herself. Its very sad this is the hill that Scottish independence is going to die on, laughable though really not funny.

I wonder how many people are getting warned for spamming this thread given they are posting stuff not remotely related to the subject being discussed when I did for posting about the subject being discussed. Going to take a wild guess zero. Anyway enjoy your ideological purity, I'm sure you'll be able to fight poverty and secure EU entry with that.

Well I'm one. I was already reluctant to vote for Andrew Wilson's proposals. How much do you think pandering to 1% of the population at the expense of 51% increased it? Anyway don't answer I'm not interested. My active day to day interest in independence ends today. Its not gonna happen, the SNP have been fatally corrupted from within, and no progress can be made until the entire leadership is changed. You can think people like Joanna Cherry and Andy Wightman are just mad bigots all you want, I couldn't care less anymore.

The SNP will never get us a vote. Its over, idiots like you have fucked it for an entire country, so well done.

Bye bye independence

We're all going to be miserable living in a right-wing UK for 80% of the rest of our lives. And clowns like you are responsible, so well done. Congratulations, you won.

Mature.

I don't care.

I don't care. I'm not voting for that shower and they're incapable of getting us independence anyway. Membership is going today too. I've thought in the cold light of day for a long time Scotland will never be independent cause our resources are far too important to England, they'll never let us go. But I was prepared to vote for it and campaign for it to my dying day. I'm done now, its over. Not remotely interested.

I think the SNP just lost my vote. I don't think Scotland will ever become independent.

Its bad news if he's going to be playing less first team football than he would out on loan or would have if Lampard had still been in charge, which is obviously the case. Hope he goes to Southampton. I don't think his chances of making it for the Euros are very good, but if he doesn't go out on loan they are zero. As for his development as a player he is only 19 so nothing is urgent just now, just in terms of making the Euros a loan is essential.

Again, tremendous journalism, fully referenced, using her own statements not his, and hard to disagree with a single word of it. I've said myself for ages NS biggest problem is she tries to be all things to all people, very much like Tony Blair, and is afraid to take the tough decisions for fear of damaging ratings. There's no doubt she's proved to be an extremely weak leader, she is really more of an administrator than a leader. We, and the SNP, badly need leadership just now and she hasn't given any except to defend her fascist mates when they falsely accuse honourable people of transphobia. I don't see anything unfair or inaccurate in it, he engages in conjecture as to why she participated in a criminal conspiracy to have an innocent man jailed for the rest of his life, we don't know for sure her reasons for doing that yet, only that she definitely did. So you could find fault with that, and his conclusion that she is a 'weak person' is possibly a little harsh and again conjecture, but she certainly has been an extremely weak leader there's no doubt about that. Its an excellent article loaded with facts and references, as they always are. What really is going on is a lot of shooting the messenger as people don't want to hear the message. That's not his fault, that's Nicola Sturgeon's. As it happens I would prefer to see her remain in place as losing the actual First Minister a few weeks before an election would be hugely damaging to the cause of independence, but if it does happen it will be nobody's fault but hers. Again though, if you want to deconstruct it the floor is yours....

That's my point, I don't think they are his words. Funnily enough I just did a search on his site and guess what.......that didn't come up. A lot of people tell a lot of lies about Wings, because he is the most effective independence campaigner there's ever been. You should probably check them before parroting them. One thing he always is is very up front, and sources everything archives everything. He doesn't want the SNP to split. He is someone who thinks the current leadership of the SNP are the biggest threat to independence, and he might well be right, he usually is. He never even mentioned Nicola Sturgeon in today's article, you really need to start actually checking what is said before condemning him for things he hasn't said. But, given she's the actual FM her mental state would absolutely be something that is fair game to discuss (did you notice much discussion about Donald Trump's mental state? Or Boris Johnson's) and his article was excellent. But it didn't even mention NS at all, even once, let alone question her mental state. As I always do when people slag Wings I will post his latest article, and invite you to deconstruct it. I think this is the fourth time I've done this, no takers yet. Shocker. Take as long as you need. https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-death-wish/#more-124432

This is what this is causing, Scotsman political reporter fishing for SNP members to rant about the mess of the party. This is what NS has presided over. But poll numbers wooooooo.

I don't remember an article saying that and I've read about 95% of what he's ever written. If you're interested in independence its a must read. That's why its the most often accessed site in the Scottish parliament. As for the rest I have never had the slightest doubt he stringently supports independence. I think that's a pretty cheap jibe tbh, more likely SNP MP's who stand to lose a million pound pension pots have that view. Though his content recently has been a bit of a rabble, you still get moments of lucidity and writing that no sensible person could objectively disagree with, like today's article about the NEC. If anyone doubts the veracity of what he's saying and wants to deconstruct it go ahead. I posted one for I think inanimate bellend to deconstruct recently and you'll be surprised to know he could not. As I said he's an arsehole, but he's not a bigot and his journalism is impeccable.

He didn't advise people not to vote SNP that's a myth. He has always advocated voting SNP in Scotland if you support independence. There is no doubt whatsoever he strongly supports independence and always has. There is also no doubt he conducts the highest quality journalism on Scottish politics of anybody alive. In terms of veracity and the quality of his analysis he is unrivalled. He is also a bit of an arsehole. Those things are not incongruous. I am no Wings fanboy I have been Ip banned from commenting on his site for ages for telling him he's an arsehole, but I can still appreciate the quality of his work.

Nothing to do with him.

Kirsten Oswald isn't someone who would be part of any conspiracy, she's just someone stupid enough to be easily manipulated by those that are. I suspect that's true in most cases, you see it with a few people on here.

I never said that, you may be confusing me with someone else. I don't think its nearly as big an issue as it is being made out to be, deliberately, the issue is the damage it is doing to the SNP, again by design imo.

Yeah no shit