Sinner-to-Saint
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3 minutes ago, dirty dingus said:
Why would you think in your mind that it would cause division amongst nationalists? Enlighten me.
I'm supposed to be 'out of here', but I feel rude by not responding to a direct question. So, just to make people aware, after this reply, I will not be posting in this thread for a few days. and will not reply to any questions.
Many of the nationalists I know, possibly the majority, are staunch republicans. Their reaction is likely to be "Meh! So what? He was a privileged king anyway. Who gives a f**k? We should be looking to the future Scotland - diverse, multicultural, equitable. Royalty sucks! I'd be quite happy if it was pulled down. The Bruce has nothing to do with the sort of nationalism I support or the Scotland I envisage! Let's build a workers' paradise." Some might even agree, given that he was racist against Saxons.
Other nationalists I know are more traditional. Aye, most of them are still pretty woke, but they also value Scotland's past. The majority cherish Scotland's past and share it with everybody. They value Scottish history, Gaelic, Scots, Burns. "We're all Jock Tamson's bairns." They'd probably be pretty annoyed by it.
In a nutshell, Scottish nationalism is mostly woke. Many supporters wouldn't condemn Black Lives Matter, and if the hoax were believed would refuse to condemn, and perhaps even justify, the graffiti. I hope that makes sense.
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7 minutes ago, Aim Here said:
I'm not saying anything of the sort. I'm saying that you have to take these things on a case-by-case basis, and use your judgement.
You'd be super hard-pressed to find anyone within BLM or on the left in general who'd agree with defacing a Robert the Bruce statue on such obviously spurious grounds - and these are the guys who have no problem with tearing down a statue they don't like and dunking it in Bristol Harbour. Why would some BLM activist get it into their head that Robert the Bruce was a racist? Nobody genuinely thinks that, and Black Lives matter people tend to know far more than the average person about famous historical racists. I wouldn't have known Edward Colston from Adam before his statue was taken down, and I suspect you wouldn't have, either. Robert The Bruce makes no sense as a target and it's out of character for BLM.
However, it IS in character for the right to try to denigrate BLM with phoney propaganda, though. They've been doing it for the last few years, and it's undeniable that Black Lives Matter is currently a target for far-right black propaganda.
It is possible that this is a genuine BLM defacement, but it's highly unlikely. Until they catch the right-wing scrote responsible, it's down to a balance of probabilities!
There are a few instances of individuals fabricating hate crimes for various purposes, sure, and Smollett is one I'd have in mind too. I can't think of a single case of an organized left-wing political group intentionally perpetrating a false flag attack, though, whereas it's much more commonplace from right-wing actors. I wouldn't be surprised if there maybe was a left-wing attack somewhere in all of history (the place to look might be Stalinist Russia), but if so, they're super-rare, unlike the ones perpetrated by the right.
If I'm honest I did think the Bruce statue was possibly done by Unionists looking to cause division amongst nationalists.
BTW, I'm out of here for the next few days, now. I find this thread and these recent events to be thoroughly depressing. I am full of foreboding as to where all of this will lead, especially given the potential economic crisis we're likely to endure. This will not end well, though I hope I'm wrong.
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Cocoa with almond milk.
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19 minutes ago, FTOF said:
I don't quite think this is the thread for you.
Stick to getting excited about new strips.
Why, because I'm not gleeful that Hearts have been unfairly relegated? If Saints had been bottom of the league you'd have a different perspective, so where are your principles?
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30 minutes ago, Jim McLean's Ghost said:
Probably.
Thistle fans should be asking their board why they haven't put this forward. It is time to abandon Hearts sinking ship.
It solves the problem for all the Prem clubs, Thistle, Stranraer, Kelty and Brora. Bumps up Falkirk and Edinburgh City too. It would take a minimal amount of money prizemoney changes.
And best of all - the only club that get bumped are Hearts.
Wouldn't it reek of rank hypocrisy, though? Why restructure to save Thistle and Stranraer, but not Hearts?
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Probably already been posted, but apparently the Gandhi statue is a target, too:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-53025407
I thought his racism would be overlooked...
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41 minutes ago, virginton said:
Ah yes, the Partick game in hand that would have made all the difference given that they had already won *checks notes* zero league games in the whole of 2020.
So what you're suggesting is they were long overdue a win, then?
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Just now, Jacksgranda said:
Me, too.
You want him to die?! What sort of 'crime' do you believe would justify him being kicked to death?
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1 minute ago, Sherrif John Bunnell said:
I was disappointed when I clicked on that hoping to see a literal lynching.
Well, I'm presuming the folk on here will justify the attack by claiming the victim had unsavoury political views.
The definition of lynch is thus:
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(of a group of people) kill (someone) for an alleged offence without a legal trial, especially by hanging."her father had been lynched for a crime he didn't commit"
So his 'offence' will be his political views, or perhaps he insulted someone or even attacked someone. Perhaps his political views were imputed, maybe he was wearing something that indicated he might have an affiliation with some group or other.
So if he goes on to die in hospital, you may well get your wish, as he will have been killed for his crime.
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I can't comment on the motive or individuals responsible, but this looks pretty nasty.
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2 hours ago, Aim Here said:
Sure. However it is undeniable that the far-right have been using false flag attacks - up to and including mass murder - to discredit the left for decades now. Much of what the loyalists in Northern Ireland were doing from 1969 to 1975 were false flag attacks (1969 bombings outside Belfast, pretty much their campaign of shooting catholics until about early-mid 1973, and the Miami Showband attack). That's just Northern Ireland; the 'Strategy of Tension' in Italy involved fake attacks by fascists, almost certainly linked with the government - and these included murderous mass killings like the Bologna Train Station attack - in order to justify more draconian security measures aimed at the left. There were letter bombs by fascists pretending to be anarchists at Genoa around the time of the G8 protests in 2001, and a couple of years ago, the right had a campaign of mass-generation of twitter accounts ostensibly claiming to be Antifa in order to discredit and confuse people.
That habit hasn't entirely stopped either. Here's an instance of a false flag from fascists referencing BLM and Antifa and the George Floyd protests that was caught by Facebook and reported by the press just a couple of weeks ago:
False flags do exist, and they're a common part of far-right politics. One reason why the right are so keen to accuse the left of false flags is exactly one of projection - they do it so often themselves.
And if you're familiar with left wing politics, it's generally rather easy to spot the forgeries because the right are generally pretty terrible at play-acting as the left. You have to be gullible as shit - or plain dead ignorant - to think that anti-fascists or BLM activists support killing white people or 'white policemen'. While some parts of the left do hold genuinely silly ideas, if you know what ideas they actually hold, then you can easily spot the ones that are propaganda forgeries. The Robert the Bruce statue vandalism is almost certainly not from a genuine BLM supporter.
I can see how some people become so entrenched in their views. Basically what you're telling me is that the 'left' don't commit false flags, but when something hateful appears and is attributed to the 'left' it must be a false flag committed by the 'right'.
I'm sure false flags are as old as time itself. Even as a kid, I remember one of my pals came up with the idea of scratching the class nerd's name into a table, in order tl get him into trouble.
The alleged assault on Jussie Smollett is an immediate example of a hoax hate crime: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jussie_Smollett_alleged_assault The other one that springs to mind is the Covington School boys, where the media selectively edited footage to portray them as intimidating ethnic minorities, when the footage literally proved they were the ones initially being intimidated.
'm sure similar false allegations happen frequently for all sorts of motives - insurance purposes, to attract attention, sympathy, donations or just besmirch one's political adversaries. It can also be used to justify wars, and I am convinced the 9/11 narrative is false.
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4 minutes ago, Yorky said:
I’ve been pretty surprised at some of the Hearts supporters opinions on many of the smaller clubs in Scottish football and just how insignificant they feel they are. Scotland as a country does not have a huge population and it feels at times as thought they would be happy if any club with an average attendance below 10k just went out of existence. I see a lot of different games at all levels and pretty much enjoy them all. You can go to the likes of Albion Rovers and find a small group of people that help out and really care about the club. A lot of unjustified anger aimed at the wrong people just now in my view.
I completely agree. I imagine Hearts supporters feel they have not been dealt with fairly, and perhaps believe that clubs are voting in their own self interest. That will inevitably lead to hostility, anger and spitefulness.
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8 minutes ago, Yorky said:
No that’s actually been said.
Wow. Hilarious. There are some bad b*****ds supporting Scottish football clubs. I do love it, though.
The internet is one of the best things ever for footy fans, IMHO. In decades gone by you'd mostly just see away supporters in the away end and milling about the stadium, unless you were playing a local side, in which case you may be acquainted with a few. But nowadays you can read each others'opinions 24/7, and even better, because folk are anonymous, you actually see what utter b*****ds they really are.
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2 minutes ago, madhibby said:
I’m a Hibs fan living in Glasgow but was borne and brought up in Edinburgh. I would say geography is the most important factor determining which of the city’s two teams you decide to support assuming you take an interest in football. So if you are in North and East of City tends to be Hibs and if you are in West and South of city more likely a Jambo. Maybe what team your dad supports is also a key influence as well as friends and family. Religion isn’t much of an influence - I think less than 15% of Edinburgh’s population is Catholic. I was brought up in the Southside of the City and aint a Catholic but my best mates at school were Hibbies thus the choice I made.
Thanks for replying, pal. Remember Edinburgh City have now been promoted into the SPFL, though I appreciate they're one of the diddiest of all clubs.
Hibs obviously have an Irish history, as reflected by their name, colour and badge, so I would have thought that must have some bearing on who one would support. Also I'd imagine if I were one of the 15% of Catholics that live in the city I'd probably not choose to support Hearts. I'm not especially familiar with Edinburgh, besides the touristy bits, but aren't the north and east of the city considered the less affluent areas, e.g. Muirhouse and Leith?
A lot of my 'knowledge' of Edinburgh comes from Irvine Welsh's fiction, btw, which is why I asked in the first place. I can't imagine Renton, Sickboy, Spud and Bruce Robertson are exactly representative of Edinburghers, but I do like to think there's some truth in it somewhere.
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18 minutes ago, Yorky said:
What is it they say on Kickback “ press the nuclear button and destroy all the diddy clubs”. While at the same time stating they only want the best for Scottish football.
Do they actually say that, though? Or have you just made it up?
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7 minutes ago, Aim Here said:
Not really. Nobody thinks Robert the Bruce was a racist. Not BLM people, and not even the fannies who wrote the graffiti, who were just doing it as some kind of rounabout smear aimed at discrediting BLM.
“He who asserts must prove” - let's see your evidence, please!
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36 minutes ago, Green Day said:
Maybe just the west of Edinburgh.............
Serious question, is geography still a factor in determining one's allegiance to the (two biggest) Edinburgh clubs? I mean I'm obviously aware that Leith is traditionally Hibs and Gorgie Hearts, but is that still relevant? Also I thought religion is, or certainly was, a factor, too.
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2 minutes ago, Melanius Mullarkey said:
9.81 m/s mate, that’s what we’re taking about.
Is that a reference to the velocity of a bullet? I hope not.
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I have to admit they're both pretty smart.
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4 minutes ago, Jacksgranda said:
55% of those who voted, voted to be part of this.
Voted to live in a democracy where people were free to demonstrate and counter-protest, you mean?
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36 minutes ago, Jacksgranda said:
How do these obese, ruddy-faced, porcine male OF supporters know you are trying to consume less meat? How does such a conversation arise?
I detect a hint of cynicism.
In December a lot of emails were sent out at work promoting Veganuary - https://uk.veganuary.com - you may have heard of it? This led to a discussion amongst work colleagues about the benefits and ethics associated with veganism. At least one of my colleagues is already vegan, a few more are vegetarian and interested in becoming vegan. Then there were those who declared it was not for them, and those who became enraged by the mere suggestion. Up until lockdown some of the latter category were still talking about veganism and how ridiculous it is, whilst the rest of us had long since dropped the subject.
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58 minutes ago, MixuFruit said:
stories like this always make me think of this great PBF comic:
I have made a similar point a few times to those who have criticised my endeavour to consume less meat, usually obese, ruddy-faced, porcine men. Usually supporters of one of the Old Firm, too. Anyway, they will always tell me how it's natural to eat meat and it's tantamount to child cruelty to deprive kids of red meat. So I always ask them if they'd be prepared to take a young child to an abattoir?
I am also a Christian, which is something that often upsets people when I mention it. My belief is that mankind is inherently repulsed by acts of callous brutality. It's instinctive. If you were to take a young child to an abattoir, I imagine they would scream and cry when they witness an animal slaughtered and butchered. I think many adults would be shocked and upset, too. There is, in my opinion, a reason for this. One can become desensitised to violence, and cruelty, of course, but our initial instinct is to be repulsed by such things. I like to think that's the spark of the Divine that dwells within us all, but, of course, plenty of you will not see it that way. Regardless, I think even those who rage against veganism would be reluctant to take their young child or grandchild to a slaughterhouse.
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13 hours ago, Arch Stanton said:
How do you know that someone is vegan?
Within a minute of meeting them, they'll tell you!
Where did I say I was a vegan? I created a thread for those interested in veganism.
13 hours ago, welshbairn said:The only Vegan like that I've encountered is the OP.
Again, where did I state that I was a vegan?
I should declare, in the interest of transparency, that I am not vegan. I am endeavouring to transition from a carnivorous diet to either a pescatarian diet or fully vegan. I don't currently eat red meat or dairy produce at all. I don't think I've eaten chicken this year either, but I have had some bone broth.
When starting this thread, my intention was to discuss recipes, protein and calcium sources, that kind of thing. Of course many people are vegan for ethical reasons, and I certainly hate the idea of animal cruelty, and given an equally nutritious alternative would opt for that.
For those interested in a whole food, plant based diet for health reasons, I recommend https://nutritionfacts.org - it's a website of research compiled by Dr. Michael Greger, author of the book How Not To Die.
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2 minutes ago, hearthammer said:
What about the all-inclusive "Anyone, Everyone" logo ?? We can all learn a lot from the the rangers in Scotland about how race, creed, ethnicity matter not one jot, don't you know
Both the Old Firm will have to go, obviously.
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Scottish Premiership Strips 20/21
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Maybe to remind the players to follow Gerrard's instruction, which is to score one more goal than their opponents.