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21 hours ago, JustBecause said:
As I said on the other thread two of these clubs are showing a genuine desire to join the EOS league as they see it as a far more progressive set up. They know that means starting in a lower tier (2 or 3 levels lower possibly) than the possibility of a tier 6 Midlands League but that is still more appealing to them. The motive of the other two clubs is unknown.
EoS - agreed perhaps a progressive setup. However,,,,, sadly, decision making does not seem to be one of their strong points.
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On 27/03/2021 at 20:36, jaggywaggy said:
Suppose that’s difference between a council owned facility and a private property.
There’s more than just council owned and club owned....
Some clubs have private/community landlords.
I think there’s maybe several clubs in that scenario.
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Any major surprise on player signings going on anywhere?
Anyone bursting the bank to get someone special in?
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Just wondering out of interests sake.
Which club has the largest pitch in the EoS?
Which has the smallest?
Which has the most sloping?
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26 minutes ago, Halfwit8 said:
I would like to say a big thanks to all of our sponsor's at Tranent , too many to mention , but especially our main sponsor M-Pact who without their continued support things wouldn't
be as good as they are. Thanks Matty & Paul.
Lie Forrit and roll on next season.
Your club are certainly a leader in the Donateaticket league. Well done to all those TJFC contributors. A great response.
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I’ve just come across this topic.
Undoubtedly one of the most important on these pages. Strangely it drifts under the radar in comparison to the many conspiracy theories that seem to be continually aired.
Personally I’d like to draw appreciation and recognition to the squad at DONATEATCKET who gave ALL clubs a platform to gain supporter/sponsor/charitable access throughout this emergency.
theres absolutely no doubt at all, that without the funding raised via DONATEATICKET, that very many clubs would be in significant trouble.An easy to use, reliable, trustworthy site, 100% of the cash raised goes straight to club.
Fantastic scheme, very well done to this particular team.
I hope the clubs acknowledge it as such when things get back to normal.
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On 19/03/2021 at 12:39, Ginaro said:
5 clubs mentioned by @Burnieman in the WOS thread - Dunbar, Musselburgh, St Andrews have been public about getting their lights up, guessing Sauchie and Dalkeith are the other two?
As far as I’m aware,,,,, Dunbar haven’t been public about getting their lights up as I think they’ve already been there for many years.
Yes Musselburgh have a very nice set of floods which have recently been installed - but again that’s sort of old news.
St Andrews have been very busy recently - online updates detailing the progress.
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On 19/03/2021 at 19:08, Truthteller said:
The clubs at the bottom will be glad to play their “get out of jail free” cards
to get another chance in the premier 
Maybe, it’s just possible that they are in jail because of the external factors that they’ve encountered this year.
Too many factors outwith the control of clubs has led to a truly unique set of circumstances. Yes, as always there’s winners and losers - that’s basic law of life.
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On 26/03/2021 at 15:19, gwd440 said:
On the Lowland League forum there's a claim that they are using PPG to decide their Champion.
Looking at the EOS Premier, the same process would provide Jeanfield Swifts. However, Jeanfield, Penicuik and Dundonald have only managed to complete just over a quarter of the season, and as someone has pointed out, Jeanfield are the only side to have played against all 3 bottom sides which probably gives them a slightly unfair advantage.
So, then I thought why not use PPG as a guide to produce a Top 4 and then have a knockout tournament to provide a champion - Covid allowing.
I've used PPG and Goal Difference / Game which would give:
Jeanfield Swifts v Camelon Juniors
Tranent Juniors v Lothian Thistle HV
Then, as I'm having a quiet afternoon (please don't judge me), I thought why not use PPG to identify the Top 8 teams, then produce a second league table, still with PPG, for those 8 teams using only matches played against each other. Unfortunately, the way the fixtures have fallen, I've only been able to find 10 matches between these sides. Jeanfield and Dundonald have only 1 match each, LTHV have 4.
The rankings in this table would be:
1. Lothian Thistle
2. Tranent Juniors
3. Camelon Juniors
4. Penicuik Athletic
5. Jeanfield Swifts
6. Musselburgh Athletic
7 .Linlithgow Rose
8. Dundonald Bluebell
But at the end of the day, there probably haven't been enough matches to justify using PPG. Null & void?
Oh well, that's the weekend here...
I’ve seen 6 of the above teams playing this season (if that’s what we can call it) and personally don’t see a clear leader between any of them.
However after a discussion - it’s Jeanfield.If I was daft enough to have a punt; my cash would be on the Tayside club, if the season were somehow to play its way to conclusion.
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On 19/03/2021 at 08:03, Pyramidic said:
Unfair treatment of Rosyth
Was talking to a Rosyth fan at the weekend. He was telling me that the Club had 100’s of young kids attached. And that they were only camping out at the Fleets until their own ground issue got resolved.
not nice when you don’t get what you were expecting,,,,Lesson to be learned for all
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17 minutes ago, Rockall said:
Will be interesting to see how many of the current EoS applicants get knocked back after all checks have been completed. If integrity is a meaningful cornerstone of the EoS, I can see at least 2 being knocked back.
That’s their role - but in the main, I’d expect they are just going to take what’s on paper in front of them. I don’t know their verification process : but Dont think they’ve got enough cash to fund a deep look into things. Hopefully addressed in the future.
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3 hours ago, Burnieman said:
A club applies and is either accepted or rejected. What have the WoS done that the EoS aren't doing with regards to new clubs, can you provide examples?
You're forming opinion based on gossip on a forum. Be grateful the WoS and EoS are attracting new clubs, potentially over 20 between them for next season.I’m struggling to understand the deep need to know which clubs are applying and for what reason. Surely all that information is confidential between the Club/EoS.
the gossip is certainly interesting and informative - but that’s exactly in the main what is - gossip!!! The integrity of the EoS is being put into further jeopardy. It is what it is.Eventually, it’ll all come out in the wash.
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1 hour ago, parsforlife said:
Where's these subsidies? I must have missed them.
The idea that brora joining the spfl will suddenly break 100+ years of national part-time football is insane. As for a logistical nightmare, its really not, players are well payed for what they do at that level, The commitment to playing national football and making sure your available to play is entirely expected. If that's using leave, making shift swaps, turning down promotions etc then that's what happens. You occasionally hear of players unavailable due to work, that's very much the exception and nearly only happens when a game has had multiple postponements and played at short notice.
Seems forgotten also that there are many players who travel 90 minutes+ just for training sessions. Yes there are players who find themselves unable/ unwilling to make those commitments, and that's their choice, they can drop down to a level that suits them.
On clubs, We have a handful of clubs that blur the lines between amateurs and professional, for who the step between local amateur leagues to EoS wide isn't a comfortable one to make. But even outside of the highlands(where the level of commitment is huge in comparison to the cushy life central belt has) amateur leagues expect hour long journeys. I don't think its too much for those clubs who feel they are a little above that to travel 1 to 2 hours.
I did admire one player on a fairly recent documentary on Fort William FC, who travelled from Edinburgh to FW twice weekly for training - then back on a Saturday. If it was an away match - he still travelled to go with the team bus and get the banter. That’s commitment for you!! Especially when they were getting tanked most weeks.
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4 minutes ago, Cyclizine said:
Not the subsidy argument again. Just because a league or association has decent sponsorship doesn't mean it is subsidising its clubs by awarding prizemoney and other payments. This is exactly what they should be doing. Where else do you want the money to go? Keep even more at the top?
I think its called development and improvement. Across the board from the entrance gates to the players. A constant opportunity to take everything to a higher level. I suppose the correlation is that better or higher means more enjoyment, greater participation, therefore the sport grows. Basic building block isn’t it??
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10 minutes ago, tamthebam said:
There was a moan amongst Dunbar fans when they were in the East Juniors that they were often expected to travel to West Lothian and Sauchie in midweek at the end of seasons (often with a couple of days notice as there was no advance fixture list) whereas the likes of Armadale were never expected to do the reverse. There was a feeling that Dunbar was the end of the world even after improvement work on the A1 meant that Dunbar was now half an hour from Edinburgh on a dualled road.
And the your point is, Armadale fans don’t like the A1
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18 minutes ago, oldandround said:
Yeah. You’re probably correct.
im just so disappointed that we’re not playing football right now that I’m lashing out at everything that I’m perceiving must be holding its return.
I just think the risk adverse have taken everything too far (just like my silly post)
Dinnae worry - it’s all on the road forward now. We hope
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5 hours ago, oldandround said:
Imho
Its only teams not wanting to finish that are looking for an excuse to do just that.
they can start training now. Six solid weeks or fitness will or should have the players in peak shape. Then a week of corners and shaping etc and bang. Let’s get started on 22nd may.
every team is in the same boat with short start timesets go for it. Use the squads sign some ams or get the u20s involved.have a positive can do mentality rather than a lazy “too hard” viewpoint
covid has been difficult for all let’s not compound it by giving up
Lots of differing valid opinions. But im just for getting going and muddling through best we can.
Again imho, voiding is cowardly and lazy.
Kind of agree with you up to point of getting going and muddling through it again.
No more muddles. Please just stop, reorganise and plan for the future.
Move forwards and onwards. What’s the loss to any club by stopping??Whats the benefits to operating in a muddle free environment.
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7 hours ago, Bundesliga Boy said:
I appreciate with each passing week it becomes more unlikely the league will finish, but if they really wanted to get to half way and then call it, they absolutely could do.
Personally I believe clubs could get by with just two weeks worth of training.
If you therefore start the first games on Tue 1st June and play two games a week, then even the teams that require 9 games to finish, would end their season on Tue 29th June. Yes that's very tight, and yes it doesn't allow for any postponements, but in 'junior football days' it wasn't uncommon towards the end of the season to see certain clubs playing 3 games a week (ie Sat, Mon, Wed etc), so perhaps for the first two weeks or so, some of the clubs may have to do just that to ensure completion.
This would allow the likes of Leith and (likely) Luncarty to take their rightful spot in the top league with the bottom four in the Premier dropping down to accommodate them. This in turn reduces the top league to the optimum 16 clubs.
I'd much rather give things another few weeks than do something hasty like null and voiding the EOS leagues right now.
I’d say anything is possible. But I’d find it very hard to accept that after many months of lockdown and over a year in a situation alien to normal behaviour. That as soon as personal restrictions are removed - that players and management staff turn their full (or 3 games a week worth) attention to non family/personal liberty. Football is great, but just now it’s very much secondary. Why some associations can see that and others cannot is a cause for concern.
I think the players/staff and everyone involved with the game deserve some quality relaxation and recovery.
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On 08/03/2021 at 12:11, Pyramidic said:
But there appears to be plenty of room for flexibility and common sense in rule 26:
“The Office Bearers/Board may, entirely at their discretion, offer any applicant a pre-defined period of grace to meet any of the above criteria should they so decide.”
With reference to rule 13 they appear to be the criteria set down by the EOSFL and we know the flexibility that the EOSFL showed in allowing Inverkeithing Hillfield Swifts to join their league some three years ago.
Is enacting the above rules to take account of clubs circumstances a good demonstration of ‘One size doesn’t fit all’
personally I’m thinking it is.
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46 minutes ago, football.fan said:
West of Scotland declared season null and void
That’s the way to go - clean break. End of story. Plan for new season. Perhaps the EoS board needs additional thinkers and ambitious minded persons to assist
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50 minutes ago, kleptomaniac said:
Why would there be a vote - it's already been agreed what will happen if less that 50% of games cant be played. Null and Void.
That’s my point - any vote is surely pointless...
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9 hours ago, Truthteller said:
Contact football allowed from 17th May with 2 weeks to prepare means a 5th June start to complete half the season and the points per game ratio.
Certain teams in the premier league won't want that and will be determined to have it null and void to ensure they evade the relegation battle.
i would imagine it would depend on how clubs will vote.
So basically with a minimum of 4 going down, potentially 6 if all the planets align wrongly. We are going to see at least 6/7/8 clubs vote for the season to become void. And for belt & braces sake another 2 or 3 clubs likely to vote in a similar way.
Then we have the scenario where promotion is really between 2 clubs - TJFC/JS.
Why would the remainder of the clubs want to become involved? Where’s the benefit and what’s the risk?
Vote wise is pretty clear which way it’d go.
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10 minutes ago, GordonS said:
The Pyramid Paradox - I like it.
Luncarty is in both the highlands and the lowlands - the Perthshire Pyramid Paradox.
Tayport is in the lowlands but wants to stick with Dundee - the Peh Pyramid Paradox.
Scone are north of the Tay but south of the line - the Potamic Pyramid Paradox.
Love it,,,,,,, it’s a bit like having the answer but no too sure what the question was
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2 hours ago, GordonS said:
I said that a few pages back about a more realistic prospect, Lochee. They could win the LL, get promoted into L2, but if they got relegated they'd be sent to the HL.
The authorities just need to get together and finish the job.
I follow your argument and logic fellah.
think what we are debating is unforeseen circumstances that were never ever planned for.it’s created a paradox - and left the door open for a cascade of should’ve done better, should’ve done and should’ve done this!!
im sure it’ll be resolved. Doubt if the resolution will keep everyone though.
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Premier Relegation spots
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Yes there is the totally unrealistic potential for 7 clubs to be relegated from the Premier - highly unlikely and only if the planets align in the most bizarre circumstances. But it is a possible scenario.
The relegation of 6 clubs is a possible outcome. Four seem certain to go.
Maybe the deciding factor is the actual numbers of current applicants that will be granted access to EoSFL and a bit of reorganisation here and there.
I can see several EOS Board members moving on next season. The current demands on them, together with the fact that whatever they do/agree regarding decisions to current issues, simply cannot possibly make everyone happy.