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So one graduate thinks that there's no working class in the UK any more, while the other thinks that graduates don't commit crimes. And they still claim that universities are good preparation for the working environment. In the real world there's a skills shortage in the UK and a stark realism that many of the 430,000 students in the UK are discovering that employers don't want them. Never mind though - hang in at Uni Maxi. I'm sure your parents don't mind supporting you while you squander your £1,200 per annum on the fantastic social life.

Ach balls. We've got more students now than ever before and yet the crime figures keep on rising.

Sounds brilliant. Good luck getting in. Shame you're late though. Caley have been accepting any dolt that can write their name...and even some that can't this year. It's all about screwing tax payers money off the Scottish Government. Don't worry if you can't understand what I'm talking about - it's all covered in the management part of the course. It's the module right after "How to use a diary"

What do you do on holiday thats so utterly fascinating XBL?

Cairngorms in a tent....sounds lovely... The villa costs - according to Disney rack rates - £1095 per night, approximately, give or take a few pounds either way depending on currency fluctuations. We'll be there for 19 nights before moving down the coast to a beach house that costs around £975 again according to Disney's published rack rates. Not only that but we've done this trip every year for the last seven years. Never mind eh...I'm sure once you've graduated and you are earning roughly the national average we'll maybe see you there - maybe for just one night though . A wee tip though if you do manage it, don't get your Hawaiian shirt at Primark - even the cleaners would laugh at you.

Graduates...huh..

Florida is in September I'll be sunning it up in my three bedroom, two story Disney hotel room which costs more per night than your earnings for the entire year. Don't spend it all in the one place....

What happened to your wages as a "top" guest lecturer for the London School of Economics Supras? Did you give it all up to go back to Uni?

You are incapable of debate aren't you...

Silly girl. They aren't HD ready any more - they all have High Definition TV's in them each with a High Definition TV feed to them.

See this is part of the problem - some students clearly don't have the ability to read and to interprate what is being written. Who exactly has verbally abused teenagers wishing to be students on this thread? All that has happened is that I have repeatedly shown that the National Statistics Office's own figures prove that it is simply not true that if you go through higher education that you will end up in better paid employment. The fact is that your earning potential as a tradesman is far higher and has been especially throughout the years where property prices kept on booming. Tradesmen are in short supply and high demand right around the world, whereas there are twice as many IT graduates in the UK than we will EVER need.

You should have been a pipefitter, then perhaps you could afford a house with four bathrooms - like ours...

I was sitting in the toilet this evening reading the free local newspaper and on the front page there was an article that illustrated exactly my point about the waste of money in Further Education. The story was about ten women who work for the NHS who had successfully achieved their SVQ Level 2 in Laundry!!!! Their employer expressed his delight and said hopefully the ladies would become his laundry champions and he wanted to put the rest of his staff through the same courses. I don't know what the course involved that took 10 weeks, but I'm guessing it must have taken that long for the message to sink in that you separate the whites from the colours. I still reckon the course was more involved than a Computer Science degree though - and at least their research, on subjects like what washing powder works best on shit stains, would be a damned site more important than Edinburgh Uni's Pets study...

Oh dear...how do you get by on that... You should have become a pipefitter.

Seriously - I agree. Surely you should be an elite student before you get the opportunity to further your education. Anything other than that is a waste of government money.

Reality is that a dancer will earn more money than a dentist, especially when they extend their career's into choreography. The statistics back it 100%. I don't get how I am a hypocrite for supporting the Private Medical industry either. I've long advocated that the NHS should only provide essential services for the extremely poor. The rest of us SHOULD be funding our own health care. The fact that I prefer to go private fits perfectly with my beliefs and with my overall contention that we all pay too much tax to the state and that the state pisses away HUGE sums of money on worthless services like £161bn on a failing education system, and the £110bn used to fund the NHS which is still stretched to breaking point covering pointless operations like fitting gastric bands, soap for those with spots, and baby milk for parents who didn't include the cost of a child into their family planning.

IT Jobs Watch reports wages are falling right across the sector in the first three months of 2009. As Renton says I should be careful about promoting trade apprenticeships too much, after all I wouldn't want to see the same kind of falls in my profession...

National Office of Statistics say they do...indeed they earn on average £5,000 pa more. I look forward to your apology.

Naw, but he'd have more money...

You might not have grasped this....but in the last five years the UK has seen 200,000 students graduate as Software Developers. Most new graduates are going to struggle to earn national average earnings.

A tradesman will certainly earn more on site than they would do in a fab shop - but average figures take that into account - just as it would do when it quotes an average wage figure for a doctor irrespective of whether he is an NHS poser with a stethoscope, a GP, or a real doctor working in a private practice.

IT jobs were broken down into different bands on the This Is Money Average wage article and the figures came from the National Office of Statistics.

Monkman...I have to apologise. I should have checked the article I posted the link to first. The average wage for a UK vet is £30,724 pa. The National Average is just over £26,000. Train drivers earn £37,231. I checked figures for other western countries just incase Vets were missing out in the UK. In the US the average is $35,000USD which works out at £21,000 pa, and in Canada they earn $20 Canadian Dollars per hour on average which works out at £22,605 pa. So it looks like UK Vets are right at the top end of their payscale with little opportunity to earn more, even if they emigrate.

I would imagine that any vet earning that kind of money owns their own practice. The average wage for a vet is apparently less than the national average. If they want to be up to their elbows in shit they would have been better off doing a plumbing apprenticeship...

Ach can you blame them. They've spent all those years at University being promised high wages when they get their degree and when they get out into the real world they find they get paid less than the average wage to stick their arms up cow's arseholes. I bet most of them wish they'd been smart enough to get a trade apprenticeship.