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7 minutes ago, DC92 said:
It's worth saying the group stages are no more and we'll actually be playing in the league stage next season.
https://www.heartsstandard.co.uk/news/24300295.hearts-europe-conference-league-best/
The Europa League has 4 pots of 9 teams. If we qualify we would play 2 different teams from each pot (4H, 4A).
The Conference League has 6 pots of 6 teams. We would play one team from each pot (3H, 3A).
In either case we go into one big table of 36 teams with the top 24 progressing. If we can better our 6 points from last time we'll have a good chance of getting to the knockouts via the Conference route.
We probably wouldn't need to better the six points. Top 24 is enough to get through to the playoff round, so gubbing two diddies of similar stature to RFS would likely get us to that.
FWIW, I think Conference League next season is best for us long-term.
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7 minutes ago, Fergie's Free Kick said:
Yep - Aberdeen will be stronger, but I feel they will still be unfocused due to their money being needed for stadium issues. They might get it right, but I'm not too worried. Hibs are a basket case, and I actually really like them, they're funny.
They're unlikely to be building a stadium any time soon, I just think their model is misguided in that it seems to be good at identifying certain players who will make them money, but quite scattergun in that they end up with loads of shite. Ultimately, the results speak for themselves. In comparison we've been a consistent side for three years now.
But, like I mentioned above, it doesn't really matter what they do. We're building from a position of strength, and it's up to us to build a squad that can get 65+ points while playing in Europe.
I think the three signings we've made so far are all reasonable additions to a squad like that, and none of them will have broken the bank. But we've got a big summer ahead.
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3 hours ago, the jambo-rocker said:
Hard work starts now. Get the recruitment right. Get a dependable RB, anyone that leaves replaced and another attacker or two with a killer instinct.
Next season is probably going to be one of the toughest we'll experience. I really thought we'd shown enough last season to handle the European games but it knocked the stuffing out of us at the end. No winter break to fall back on and I fully expect Hibs and Aberdeen to bring it next season.
Nobody has managed a third-placed finish while playing group stage fitba yet, but I think we're well-placed to do it next season.
A lot of comings and goings ahead, but we've known that we're going to finish third since about the turn of the year, so I'd imagine we're reasonably well down the recruitment path already. Three signed for next year, all of whom seem reasonable squad additions to me. We'll have money to spend, and nobody we want will be signing for any other non-OF team unless they overpay for them. Which is fine.
Hibs and Aberdeen will both surely be less bad next season, but neither have really had a good team for years now, and I don't see anything we should be intimidated by or fearful of. Aberdeen have a model that makes them money from player sales, but is a recruitment model that gets you bottom six two years in three something for us to worry about? Hibs are more of an unknown, but as things stand today we have no reason to be overly concerned by them.
Bottom line is, we aim for 65 points again, and that'll probably do the job.
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We are European group stage as f**k.
Naismith manages it with three games to go. Neilson managed it with five to go.
Naismith out.
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2 minutes ago, KirkieRR said:
Hands up who has heard of 'Ben Davies'?
Does he present The One Show?
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Killie are the kind of team that will revel in this situation.
I hope they see it out in the most gamesmanshippy way possible to maximum howling from the scum in the home end.
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16 minutes ago, 54_and_counting said:
Thats kinda the reason VAR was invented, refs were becoming less and less consistent in applying the rules over a season and it was affecting games more and more
The recent IRP outcome said what? 13 times VAR usage resulted in wrong outcomes in the recent batch of matches checked, how many times did VAR usage result in the correct decision being made eventually
Now imagine there was no VAR and all they wrong decisions corrected by VAR werent corrected, the game would be ridiculously shite, moreso than ever before (for whatever reason, ref unable to keep pace with the game, rules being too nitpicky now, god knows)
Were they becoming less and less consistent? I'd say that's far from a settled point, and the only evidence we have of "improvement" with VAR is from an organisation with a vested interest in saying so, and based on flimsy premises.
I'd argue referees are now fitter than ever before and with better access to information than ever before, so I'd be amazed if they aren't generally better than ever before.
I honestly ignore everything the IRP says. It's a pointless body. You'd be as well getting a group of us from this board together to watch decisions and make a call on them. Without getting dragged down the rabbit hole, their whole concept of "correct" and "incorrect" is deeply, deeply flawed.
The release this week further confirms that the people in charge of this stuff just aren't very bright. You can drive a bus through their thought process and public utterances.
I can't emphasise this enough, and I don't mean it in a jokey or glib way. The people who run Scottish football, at least its public face, are generally (with notable exceptions) thick. Lots of them are utterly dense people who wouldn't make it to such prominence in a serious industry, and whose rise to such prominence can only be explained by extreme good fortune or skills in other areas. Standards are shockingly low, and this disaster is aided by a journalism profession rammed full of similarly low-level thinkers.
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1 minute ago, 54_and_counting said:
Maybe thats the compromise needed
If the ref sees an incident from one angle, and is asked by VAR "did you see that handball/foul etc" ref says aye from my angle it was/wasnt an infringement then onfield refs decision is final
If VAR ask ref "did you see that handball/foul" and ref says "nope view partially blocked/ball on other side of player etc" then use the monitor
Is that a workable solution perhaps
No. Just needlessy complicates a simple game.
Football was absolutely fine without VAR. Just let the referee ref the game.
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5 hours ago, Kyle Reese said:
They have had incidents overturned or turned in the other teams favour due to VAR that they would never have normally suffered. They hate it because it stops them getting as many things in their favour. Brendan Rodgers in particular hates that his team do not get as many favours as they used to. I much prefer what happens now compared to:
Four players sent off at Ibrox mostly for f**k all
Andy Webster told he must have elbowed himself in the eye, not John Hartson
Dougie MacDonald sending off Webster and McCann at Rugby Park and Hartley in the 2006 cup final
Andy Davis awarding Kyriakos a penalty for diving
Barry Ferguson playing basketball
Ian Brines sending off Fyssas for a dive by Maloney in a New Year’s Day game vs Celtic
Allan McGregor kung-fu kicking Callum Elliot in the stomach
Kenny Miller effectively ending Kevin McHattie’s career at a decent level with a knee high challenge at the touchline
No thanks, I prefer when incompetence and bias are exposed and the officials made to look incompetent for their cowardice.
I particularly enjoyed the nationwide ridicule when Dermot Gallagher reviewed the incident where the Motherwell player kicked Boyce in the chest and he booked him for diving. The two studio guests and him on SKY pissing themselves laughing at the referee. The more exposure these p***ks get the better
Every team has decisions go their way and go against them. We also won a Scottish Cup final against Rangers with two, ahem, marginal penalty decisions. You've got to see the bigger picture.
The general point is that it makes the game too picky, and this is where it differs from your example of a goal being disallowed in another post. In non-VAR games a goal will be disallowed if a referee spots something. If he's seen it, it's likely worth seeing. If nobody has seen it, then VAR interventions in the game are against the spirit of the sport and ruin the emotion and experience in the ground. Football's laws aren't a science. They're, to a large degree, subjective. VAR doesn't work.
I've mentioned it before, but everyone I go to games with agreed that our penalty in the routine trouncing of Hibs at Tynecastle last season was the least satisfying derby goal we've scored. An absolutely fucking shite experience. Fair play to you if you like that, but I honestly can count on the fingers of one hand the number of people I know who share your view.
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Just now, Dons_1988 said:
Unfortunately your top 6 is made up of the old firm and ostensibly bottom 6 minded diddies so one way or another your IQ, aspirations and general wellbeing are taking a hit between now and the euros.
Look after yourself and pray that ourselves and hibs abandon the charitable act of self sabotage we’ve performed this year.
I believe Hearts are having a minute's applause in the (bottom) sixth minute of our next home game to remember the two fallen giants you mention.
We'll keep you in our prayers.
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10 minutes ago, Dons_1988 said:
Unfortunately for you div doesn’t appear to have the technology to split the forum after game 33 (get it sorted @Div) so you’re stuck with me.
I'm putting this on my suggestion card for next season. Bottom Six teams disgust me, and we shouldn't have to hold our noses while witnessing their petty squabbles at this time of the year.
Big Time Top 6 Forum for Big Time Top 6 people.
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2 hours ago, craigkillie said:
This isn't true yet, is it?If Dundee win all four of their games, and St Mirren win their three which aren't against Dundee, and we lose all of ours, then Dundee would be a point ahead of us and St Mirren level on points.
1 minute ago, 10menwent2mow said:You are correct. I apologise. Disaster for Killie.
I have been duped. I feel a fool.
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Just now, AJF said:
Interesting to see that the amount of errors made by VAR is increasing. Kind of pisses all over those in favour of it that say it will get better with time.
Also seems to make a bit of a mockery of our appeals system. One of the decisions that have been highlighted as being wrong was a red card shown to Sterling against Aberdeen. We actually appealed that and the appeal was thrown out. Now it’s being said that was incorrect.
Shambles.
Whole thing is absolutely pointless, and the IRP as a concept is so obviously flawed a five-year old could pick holes in it.
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12 minutes ago, RawB93 said:
So just the innocent bus driver to burn to death? You're fucking sick.
How do you know he's innocent?
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3 minutes ago, topcat(The most tip top) said:
One more for @VincentGuerinto illustrate
Hearts can no longer qualify for next seasons Champions League
Naismith surely cannot survive this.
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I've seen some fine performances on this board, but @Kyle Reese has managed, between Saturday and now, to firstly whip the Hibs and Aberdeen fans into a seething frenzy of tears, and now has the Celtic fans quite rightly put in their place and on the run.
It's excellent work, but this is no time to get complacent and to rest on your laurels. I'd like to see the fans of every club in the league antagonised by the weekend.
Except Livi. Leave them for me, please. It could be a special week.
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Just now, Joe Terrapin said:
Would all you diddy c***s and your pissing contests get off the fucking Hibs thread you sad fucks
What the f**k you going to do about it.
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2 minutes ago, Kyle Reese said:
Plus, when beating Hibs at Hampden becomes a major honour, we will be more decorated than Real Madrid.
They're the only other c***s we ever play at Hampden apart from the OF. It's been them, the OF and one game against ICT in the last decade.
We're due a wee diddy team in a semi. Wee-er and diddy-er than Hibs, that is.
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2 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said:
In 20/21 we beat the 3rd placed side in both competitions, at the Semi and Final stage, won at Ibrox, and Aberdeen/Celtic were the only teams of the top 6 we never beat, with us also beating the sides who finished 7th and 8th.
There's plenty of teams who only draw the OF once in a cup completion, it's not notable enough to keep track of because they always fail to win both trophies. The idea we're "lucky" because that was our draw is stupid when the reality is other clubs get "lucky" that way all the time but don't capitalise.
Oh, plenty draw them once. But few (none I can think of) draw them once across three cup runs. Denying that that is a lucky run is bizarre.
You got some breaks and ran with it, no need to be so defensive.
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On 30/04/2024 at 10:18, 10menwent2mow said:
'Rangers' secured a top 2 finish and Killie secured a Top 5 finish and European football.
Hibs are definitely safe.
'Rangers' secured a top 2 finish
Challenge accepted
Killie secured a Top 5 finish and European football
Challenge accepted
Hibs are definitely safe
Is that the team that plays in the green Arsenal strips?
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12 minutes ago, Kyle Reese said:
Be worth it just to see some rancid mhank from Midlothian all over STV News for getting himself a leathering whilst drunk and angry in the Dalkeith high street.
Now, come on. Celtic and their supporters are famous for embracing defeat and adversity in a level-headed and sporting manner.
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4 hours ago, capt_oats said:
Like I say, it doesn't match St Johnstone's wins but as an overall record I'd say it runs them close given our respective opponents in the finals.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Motherwell_F.C._seasons
Cup runs in general are a poor indicator of how a club is doing, as they tend to be based on decent draws. That's the same for all of our clubs, and St Johnstone's three cup wins only really include one Big Result; beating Rangers in the cup in 2021 on penalties. If you look through their cup wins, the draws were kind overall and they had three rounds of semis and finals where they never played the OF. It's hard to think of another club that has had opportunities like that. Nobody else I can think of has had a run of getting to semis and constantly avoiding the Old Firm. But, they still won, so fair's fair.
St Johnstone's league form over that period is the far more impressive thing. And it's arguable that Motherwell's spell of 40 years in the top flight is pound for pound the most impressive performance in Scottish football. Especially as it also includes a cup win (beat Celtic in the semi) and some other finals, second places etc.
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Winning twice in a season at Parkhead is exceptionally unlikely, so I'm keeping my thirty-odd quid in my pocket on this occasion.
One of these games where there's not a lot in it for us, so it would be magnificent to win just for the fucking sake of it and see the Celtic fans fucking spewing.
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Goodbye to the Yellow Submarine
in Scottish Premiership General Chatter
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The only disappointment in what he said was that it sounded like we might need to wait till the season after next for liquidation rather than it being immediate.
It's in the post though. And it'll be a good day.