The Wrestling Thread

[DomDom]

Right, I'm going to Night 1 of the Dragon Gate UK tour this year, and this is the card.

LDRS vs. The All Stars

CYBER KONG~~~!!! :D vs. Joey Hayes

The Lion Kid vs. Mark Haskins

Susumu Yokosuka vs. SHINGO

YAMATO vs. Naruki Doi ( !!! )

CIMA, Dragon Kid and Gamma vs. PAC, Masato Yoshino and BxB Hulk

Sweet mother. How can that be anything other than ridiculously good ? Getting to see Gamma, YAMATO and Cyber Kong for the first time live as well.

[Shuggie_Murray7]

PWI 500 List of 2010 (well the top 50 anyway)

1. AJ Styles

2. John Cena

3. C.M. Punk

4. Randy Orton

5. Chris Jericho

6. Batista

7. Shinsuke Nakamura

8. The Undertaker

9. Kurt Angle

10. Sheamus

11. Triple-H

12. The Miz

13. Rey Mysterio Jr.

14. Takashi Sugiura

15. Rob Van Dam

16. Dr. Wagner Jr

17. The Big Show

18. Edge

19. Tyler Black

20. Jeff Hardy

21. Jack Swagger

22. Christian

23. Abyss

24. Ryota Hama

25. Austin Aries

26. Kofi Kingston

27. John Morrison

28. Desmond Wolfe

29. Ultimo Guerrero

30. Drew McIntyre

31. Samoa Joe

32. Davey Richards

33. Mr. Anderson

34. Ted DiBiase Jr.

35. Hirooki Goto

36. D'Angelo Dinero

37. Eddie Edwards

38. Matt Morgan

39. Hiroshi Tanahashi

40. Yoshihiro Takayama

41. Cody Rhodes

42. Mistico

43. James Storm

44. Daniel Bryan

45. Douglas Williams

46. Roderick Strong

47. Christopher Daniels

48. Mesias

49. Eric Young

50. Dolph Ziggler

Edited July 31, 2010 by Shuggie_Murray7

[Marshmallo]

What's the criteria for that list?

I can't think of any criteria that would place Drew and/or Morrison ahead of Anderson and/or Joe!

[DomDom]

I can't think of any list with any criteria that I'd have Cena behind AJ or Punk.

[forehead7]

I can't think of any list with any criteria that I'd have Cena behind AJ or Punk.

Wrestling ability?

[forehead7]

It's just the top 500 professional wrestlers of the year.

Looking down the list there's some peculiar ones.

Can't believe Matt Morgan is in the top 50.

Kevin Nash at 53.

Rob Terry at 67.

JTG at 84.

Amazing Red at 87.

Alex Shelley at 88.

Chris Sabin at 95.

Heath Slater at 100 when Barrett is 109.

The Great Khali at 130 when Jay Lethal is 134.

Those are mostly the ones I saw, I only went up to 250 since I didn't know any of them for a while after it.

Edit to say that that last bit was actually a lie but I don't care about Joey Mercury, etc, 's placing on the list.

Edited July 31, 2010 by forehead7

[DomDom]

Wrestling ability?

In the last 12 months, Cena has shat over Punk. And AJ.

Not even the best in WWE and TNA in the last 12 months. If it's purely on wrestling and they insist on having Japanese wrestling, YAMATO should be #1.

[forehead7]

In the last 12 months, Cena has shat over Punk. And AJ.

Not even the best in WWE and TNA in the last 12 months. If it's purely on wrestling and they insist on having Japanese wrestling, YAMATO should be #1.

I'm not gonna have a massive argument, mostly because it will never be resolved, but Cena doesn't even put on the STF properly which is one of his finishers. There is very little pressure on the neck/back of the opponent because he doesn't put the hold on like a Crippler Crossface and really bend the spine of the foe.

[DomDom]

If you start getting into arguements about execution of finishers, Flair, Hart and Benoit suddenly become shit, so it's not something worth getting into.

[forehead7]

If you start getting into arguements about execution of finishers, Flair, Hart and Benoit suddenly become shit, so it's not something worth getting into.

Benoit puts on a crippler crossface far better than Cena puts on his STF(U)

[DomDom]

You'll find it varies with both men. Execution of a submission is usually down to the opponent. The only problem with Cena is his god awful facial expressions that make it look like he's the one taking the move.

[Shuggie_Murray7]

Lets be honest, the PWI 500 has little significance on anything to do with wrestling, I jus thought it would stir up a little debate.

For me AJ had an absolutle belter of a year and deserved to at least be in the top 2, so the fact that he's number 1 isn't really a surprise to me.

A list where Kevin Nash and Matt Morgan are above MCMG and Otunga above Kaval is rediculous.

How Eli Cottonwood isn't 500th I'll never know.

[Kris Boyd]

At last after 9 years wrestling has a "TV Title again" and also I could see Raven turning on Dreamer a mile off, anyone who saw the original ECW was like me just expecting Raven to nail Dreamer any second.

[Liam.]

Number 7? That's a strange sideways move he's taken in his career.

[DomDom]

I actually love Nakamura. His series of matches with Tanahashi are a worthwhile watch for any wrestling fan. His last 12 months have been a little stale and he's gone off the rails a bit especially in the last three months. He is still capable but he needs to get his act together.

Where is Prince Devitt Jr. if they're gonna be including NJPW guys ? He's had a 12 months that most would kill for.

[Shuggie_Murray7]

Number 7? That's a strange sideways move he's taken in his career.

I was waiting to see who'd hit out with that first.

Where is Prince Devitt Jr. if they're gonna be including NJPW guys ? He's had a 12 months that most would kill for.

Heres the 500

1. AJ Styles

2. John Cena

3. C.M. Punk

4. Randy Orton

5. Chris Jericho

6. Batista

7. Shinsuke Nakamura

8. The Undertaker

9. Kurt Angle

10. Sheamus

11. Triple-H

12. The Miz

13. Rey Mysterio Jr.

14. Takashi Sugiura

15. Rob Van Dam

16. Dr. Wagner Jr

17. The Big Show

18. Edge

19. Tyler Black

20. Jeff Hardy

21. Jack Swagger

22. Christian

23. Abyss

24. Ryota Hama

25. Austin Aries

26. Kofi Kingston

27. John Morrison

28. Desmond Wolfe

29. Ultimo Guerrero

30. Drew McIntyre

31. Samoa Joe

32. Davey Richards

33. Mr. Anderson

34. Ted DiBiase Jr.

35. Hirooki Goto

36. D’Angelo Dinero

37. Eddie Edwards

38. Matt Morgan

39. Hiroshi Tanahashi

40. Yoshihiro Takayama

41. Cody Rhodes

42. Mistico

43. James Storm

44. Daniel Bryan

45. Douglas Williams

46. Roderick Strong

47. Christopher Daniels

48. Mesias

49. Eric Young

50. Dolph Ziggler

51. Robert Roode

52. Naomichi Marufuji

53. Kevin Nash

54. Kevin Steen

55. R-Truth

56. Jeff Jarrett

57. Electroshock

58. Tyson Kidd

59. Montel Vontavious Porter

60. Sting

61. Adam Pearce

62. Jay Briscoe

63. Evan Bourne

64. Minoru Suzuki

65. Blue Demon Jr.

66. Matt Hardy

67. Rob Terry

68. Go Shiozaki

69. David Hart Smith

70. Satoshi Kojima

71. Hernandez

72. Cibernetico

73. Brother Devon

74. Chris Hero

75. Togi Makabe

76. Shelton Benjamin

77. Brother Ray

78. Yoshi Tatsu

79. Kane

80. Claudio Castagnoli

81. Volador Jr.

82. Takeshi Rikio

83. Dos Caras Jr.

84. JTG

85. Shad Gaspard

86. Mark Briscoe

87. Amazing Red

88. Alex Shelley

89. Mohammad Yone

90. Luke Gallows

91. La Sombra

92. Kazarian

93. Ezekiel Jackson

94. Carlito

95. Chris Sabin

96. Kenny King

97. Phil Shatter

98. BxB Hulk

99. Mark Henry

100. Heath Slater

101. Colt Cabana

102. Homicide

103. Jon Moxley

104. Averno

105. Yuji Nagata

106. Delirious

107. Magnus

108. Jerry Lynn

109. Wade Barrett

110. Naruki Doi

111. Mephisto

112. Steve Corino

113. Goldust

114. Joe Hennig

115. Masakatsu Funaki

116. Max Buck

117. Zach Ryder

118. El Generico

119. Jeremy Buck

120. Keiji Muto

121. Suwama

122. Karl Anderson

123. Rhett Titus

124. Shannon Moore

125. Primo Colon

126. William Regal

127. Yujiro

128. Erick Stevens

129. Brian Kendrick

130. The Great Khali

131. Tyson Dux

132. KENTA

133. Chessman

134. Jay Lethal

135. Orlando Jordan

136. Finlay

137. Toshiaki Kawada

138. Negro Casas

139. Rhino

140. Kensuke Sasaki

141. Justin Gabriel

142. Kenny Omega

143. Masato Tanaka

144. Paul London

145. Marco Corleone

146. Tetsuya Naito

147. Ray Gonzalez

148. La Parka

149. Joe Lider

150. Jimmy Jacobs

151. Kaz Hayashi

152. Naoya Ogawa

153. Mikal Judas

154. Trent Beretta

155. Vladimir Kozlov

156. Katsuhiko Nakajima

157. Silver King

158. CIMA

159. Caylen Croft

160. Paul Birchill

161. Chuck Taylor

162. Perro Aguayo Jr.

163. Scott Steiner

164. Brett DiBiase

165. Brent Albright

166. Extreme Tiger

167. Tajiri

168. Vance Archer

169. Sean Waltman

170. Shawn Daivari

171. Joey Ryan

172. Chris Masters

173. Tomko

174. Sami Callihan

175. Latin Lover

176. Alex Koslov

177. Chavo Guerrero

178. Sonjay Dutt

179. Felino

180. Tyler Reks

181. Jun Akiyama

182. Martin Stone

183. Pac

184. Kiyoshi

185. Manabu Nakanishi

186. Petey Williams

187. Shinjiro Otani

188. Atlantis

189. Austin Creed

190. Necro Butcher

191. Drake Brewer

192. Giant Bernard

193. Tommy Dreamer

194. Stevie Richards

195. Joe E. Legend

196. Bison Smith

197. Darren Young

198. Nicho El Millionario

199. Blue Panther

200. Jason Hades

201. Alex Riley

202. Kory Chavis

203. Arik Cannon

204. Cody Deaner

205. Jason Blade

206. Takeshi Morishima

207. David Otunga

208. Mr. Niebla

209. Kaval

210. Jack Evans

211. Jon Davis

212. Toru Yano

213. Osamu Nishimura

214. Mike Knox

215. Ryusuke Taguchi

216. Rasche Brown

217. Prince Devitt

218. Skip Sheffield

219. Ultimo Gladiator

220. Icarus

221. Shawn Spears

222. Mike Quackenbush

223. Jesse Neal

224. Teddy Hart

225. 2 Cold Scorpio

226. Gran Akuma

227. Yuko Miamoto

228. Tommaso Ciampa

229. Kohei Sato

230. Okada

231. Scott Lost

232. Hector Garza

233. Tiger Mask IV

234. Maasaki Mochizuki

235. Brodie Lee

236. Super Crazy

237. Billy Ken Kid

238. Percy Watson

239. Lince Dorado

240. Mascara Dorado

241. T.J. Cannon

242. Dragon Kid

243. Zorro

244. Ruckus

245. Drake Younger

246. Shocker

247. Raven

248. Oliver John

249. B-Boy

250. Kota Ibushi

251. El Hijo Del Santo

252. Eddie Kingston

253. N8 Mattson

254. Rocky Romero

255. Curt Hawkins

256. Cody Hawk

257. Masahiro Chono

258. B.J.

259. Jigsaw

260. Rey Bucanero

261. Koji Kanemoto

262. Johnny Devine

263. Bruce Maxwell

264. El Sensacional Carlitos

265. Akebono

266. Christopher Gray

267. Ryan Eagles

268. Sterling James Keenan

269. El Terrible

270. Ares

271. Michael Elgin

272. Sebastian Suave

273. Yamato

274. Texano Jr.

275. Tommy Taylor

276. Hallowicked

277. Vampiro

278. Mike Rollins

279. Metal Master

280. Josh Daniels

281. Dustin Cutler

282. Derek Wylde

283. Johnny Curtis

284. Nick Gage

285. Shadow Jackson

286. Brandon Cutler

287. Darrin Corbin

288. Jimmy Wang Yang

289. Quiet Storm

290. Tursas

291. Jules Uso

292. Ace Rockwell

293. Ryan Kruz

294. Pepper Parks

295. Konnan

296. Jimmy Uso

297. Sean Morley

298. Johnny Prime

299. Slam Master J

300. Glen Osbourne

301. Xtremo

302. Joey Mercury

303. Rory McAllister

304. Rob Eckos

305. Brandon Bonham

306. Mike Mondo

307. Robbie McAllister

308. Aden Chambers

309. Benjamin Boone

310. Harley Jackson

311. Prince Nana

312. Billy Bax

313. Shark Boy

314. Strongman

315. Jimmy Rave

316. Scorpio Sky

317. Jushin Liger

318. Shaun Tempers

319. Johnny Kashmere

320. Jackson Andrews

321. The Blue Meanie

322. Jimmy DeMarco

323. Dragon Rojo Jr.

324. Bo Rotundo

325. KC Kea

326. Spike Dudley

327. Dal Knox

328. Brandon Locke

329. Ron Zombie

330. Matt Cross

331. Duke Rotundo

332. Matt Walsh

333. La Mascara

334. Brad Attitude

335. Silas Young

336. TJ Perkins

337. Sangre Azteca

338. Glamour Boy Shane

339. Phil Atlas

340. Tim Donst

341. Egotistico Fantastico

342. Leo Kruger

343. Michael Tarver

344. Tommy Thunda

345. Kimo

346. Tito Colon

347. Trik Davis

348. Ryan McBride

349. J.D. Maverick

350. Santino Marella

351. Truitt Fields

352. The Sheik

353. Nicky Benz

354. L.A. Park

355. Gregory Helms

356. Frankie the Mobster

357. Sinn Bodhi

358. Hunico

359. Pat Buck

360. Mahoney

361. Jeremy Vain

362. Don Paysan

363. Johnny Gargano

364. Richie Steamboat

365. Caprice Coleman

366. Mason Ryan

367. Savio Vega

368. Charley Manson

369. Jonny Puma

370. Josh Alexander

371. T.J. Mack

372. Marshall Gambino

373. Chasyn Rance

374. Shane Haste

375. Bobby Dempsey

376. Matt Burns

377. Kirby Mack

378. Ryoji Sai

379. Danny Daniels

380. Derrick Bateman

381. Asylum

382. Kevin Grace

383. Lynx

384. Mike Tobin

385. Tank

386. Ultimo Dragon

387. Marion Fontaine

388. Zaquary Springate III

389. Matt Riviera

390. Chase Del Monte

391. Ricky Reyes

392. Kenzo Suzuki

393. Simon Sez

394. Vance Nevada

395. Joey Knight

396. Orion Bishop

397. Aero Star

398. John McChesney

399. Robin Knightwing

400. Bazooka Joe

401. Titan

402. Big E Langston

403. Damien Slater

404. Rudy Switchblade

405. Josef Von Schmidt

406. Matt Logan

407. Ricochet

408. Alex Price

409. Thumbtack Jack

410. Tyler Veritas

411. Mega

412. Scotty Mac

413. Eric Cooper

414. Kid Kash

415. Grizzly Redwood

416. Bryan Logan

417. Adam Cole

418. Nick Logan

419. Papadon

420. Breaker Morant

421. Vinny Dunn

422. Scott Zenzen

423. Bruiser Bennett

424. Steve O

425. Jake O’Reilly

426. Freak Nastty

427. Jimmy Cicero

428. Kamikaze

429. Bobby Shields

430. Hiram Tua

431. Eddie Taurus

432. Mikaze

433. Tony Stetson

434. Chris Rockwell

435. Slim J

436. Donny Marlow

437. Davey Deluxeo

438. Rudy Parker

439. Samuel Elias

440. Ernie Ballz

441. Joe Bravo

442. Robbie Gilmore

443. Ryan Sawyer

444. Wall Calrissian

445. Ananzi

446. Aaron Stevens

447. Mike Sydal

448. Alex Anthony

449. Colin Delaney

450. Cable Jones

451. Conrad Tanner

452. Wes Brisco

453. Titus O’Neil

454. Reiko DMF

455. Dan Eckos

456. Ron Falco

457. Handsome Johnny

458. Vince Beach

459. Corey Hollis

460. Tommy Mack

461. Bill Collier

462. Kwan Chang

463. Mozart Fontaine

464. Scott Chase

465. Barry Ryte

466. Crisifix

467. Don Vega

468. Steve Madison

469. Chris Black

470. Mike Posey

471. Kid America

472. Eli Cottonwood

473. Scott Wright

474. Crazzy Steve

475. J.T. Playa

476. Cameron Thomas

477. Prince Iaukea

478. Marc Mandrake

479. Ray Alexander

480. J.B. Trask

481. Rip Impact

482. Brian Millonas

483. A.J. Strokes

484. Phil Latio

485. Malachi

486. Chris Cooper

487. Primo Scordino

488. Barry Hardy

489. Hellcat

490. Shockwave the Robot

491. Robert Roma

492. Billy Gibbs

493. Steve Kruz

494. Mr. Ooh La La

495. Super Sweet

496. Brandon Thurston

497. Gabe Saint

498. Kliff Hanger

499. Peter B. Beautiful

500. Barry Wolf

At a glance I can't see him.

[DomDom]

He's in the mid 200s. Which is weird as there's many indy names ahead of him that have achieved less and are worse than him. Hmm.

Davey Richards being so low is a little surprising but makes sense. How many people in that bottom section have people heard of btw ? I wanna see Shockwave the Robot NOW.

[Shuggie_Murray7]

Davey Richards being so low is a little surprising but makes sense. How many people in that bottom section have people heard of btw ? I wanna see Shockwave the Robot NOW.

I forgot to mention Richards earlier, he really should be much higher.

Form 250+ I counted about 60 odd that I'd ever heard of, which makes you wonder whats the point in doing it all the way to 500. The top 200 would be plenty.

[#Gary]

First time I've watched a full episode of SmackDown in ages and I fair enjoyed it.

The main event turned into something from the Attitude era.

Christian-Drew was excellent.

Kofi-Ziggler was excellent. Ziggler's really improved. Kofi in rage mode was also fantastic.

Edited July 31, 2010 by garymcc1874

[Marshmallo]

85. Shad Gaspard

87. Amazing Red

Disgraceful