Freedom Farter Posted September 17 Share Posted September 17 2 hours ago, LIVIFOREVER said: Yeah can see him being our top goal scorer. Great seeing Pitts scoring goals again too, he's excellent getting onto balls played across the 6 yard box, but showed on Saturday there he has a good shot on him scoring from the edge of the box. Maybe you could clear up something for me, as you're good at analysing games and tactics. Often wondered the advantages between having all 10 outfield players back defending set plays, to leaving a man up the pitch, and why we keep doing it. I mean there has to be stats showing it has merits, but from a layman's point of view (mine) i just don't see it being better than having an out ball, that also gives us a better chance to break up the pitch. Breaking it down, when defending with everyone back we've 11 v 9, with their 9 having the GK (normally) and set piece taker, out of the numbers in the box. And the opposition prob leave 2 players outside the box to pick up clearances from us defending it, so that leaves 11 v 7 in the box. Us leaving a player up the pitch takes 2 of their players up with him, which leaves 10 v 7, but we've now got an out ball, and someone to challenge for the ball being cleared, so it isn't casually picked up by them and played back in. So basically all i see is an 11 v 7 to a 10 v 7, which still gives us a 3 man advantage. The crux of it for me is the out ball, defending with everyone back means we usually have to defend balls into our box at least twice before we get control of the ball to break from our box v only having to clear it once, and having an out ball to boot it up the pitch to counter from the halfway line. Long wnided post, and the short version would be, is it really that much of a defensive advantage having 1 extra man back, and worth it to tale away the out ball with leaving a player up the pitch. Your guess is as good as mine. I assume Martindale must just think that the less space in the box, the better, when it comes to defending set pieces. The more dense the crowd, the less likely an attacking player can get a clean strike at any bouncing ball. Something like that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livi La Vida Loca Posted September 17 Share Posted September 17 5 hours ago, LIVIFOREVER said: Maybe you could clear up something for me, as you're good at analysing games and tactics. Often wondered the advantages between having all 10 outfield players back defending set plays, to leaving a man up the pitch, and why we keep doing it. I mean there has to be stats showing it has merits, but from a layman's point of view (mine) i just don't see it being better than having an out ball, that also gives us a better chance to break up the pitch. 2 hours ago, Freedom Farter said: Your guess is as good as mine. I assume Martindale must just think that the less space in the box, the better, when it comes to defending set pieces. The more dense the crowd, the less likely an attacking player can get a clean strike at any bouncing ball. Something like that. It's simply statistics from my knowledge. From memory I think Callum Carson may have asked the question a while back and basically stats say you're less likely to concede from a corner/set piece with everybody back. Would love to know if someone has worked out what how much more likely it makes you to concede from the phase of play after the corner though as for me it invites unnecessary pressure. I haven't come across a single person who doesn't want us to leave someone up top. It noticeably infuriates the crowd around me at games. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livi La Vida Loca Posted September 19 Share Posted September 19 I didn't want him to but even more glad now that JET didn't re sign for us.... https://news.stv.tv/west-central/footballer-jay-emmanuel-thomas-charged-after-600000-of-cannabis-seized-at-stansted-airport 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiviLion Posted September 19 Share Posted September 19 10 minutes ago, Livi La Vida Loca said: I didn't want him to but even more glad now that JET didn't re sign for us.... https://news.stv.tv/west-central/footballer-jay-emmanuel-thomas-charged-after-600000-of-cannabis-seized-at-stansted-airport Aye, think Martindale might have actually killed him. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cptn Hooch Posted September 19 Share Posted September 19 Came here to post the JET story. Bullet well and truly dodged 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIVIFOREVER Posted September 19 Share Posted September 19 On 17/09/2024 at 20:48, Livi La Vida Loca said: It's simply statistics from my knowledge. From memory I think Callum Carson may have asked the question a while back and basically stats say you're less likely to concede from a corner/set piece with everybody back. Would love to know if someone has worked out what how much more likely it makes you to concede from the phase of play after the corner though as for me it invites unnecessary pressure. I haven't come across a single person who doesn't want us to leave someone up top. It noticeably infuriates the crowd around me at games. Yeah it isn't so much defending the set play advantage it gives us i don't understand, that's fair enough, but the likelihood of us clearing the ball with no player outside our box, means it'll get picked up by an opposition player, who then has plenty time under no pressure, to get the ball back into our box, that's what bothers me. Also having to counter from our box, instead of breaking quicker with a man already up the pitch, bugs me too. The argument of having a crowded box making it more difficult to get a shot on goal is also good, but it also means we can have a deflected shot beating our keeper as it comes down to luck with the pinball affect, and our luck wasn't great for that sort of thing last season. We've been defending set plays like this for a while now, in one game Danny Mullen was walking back towards our box when we were defending a free kick, and i frustratingly shouted "NO DANNY, GET BACK UP THE PITCH", and he turned round and followed my instructions, must've thought Martindale was shouting at him from the dugout. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIVIFOREVER Posted September 19 Share Posted September 19 5 hours ago, Livi La Vida Loca said: I didn't want him to but even more glad now that JET didn't re sign for us.... https://news.stv.tv/west-central/footballer-jay-emmanuel-thomas-charged-after-600000-of-cannabis-seized-at-stansted-airport Yeah that's all we'd have needed, what an idiot. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Calder Lion Posted September 20 Share Posted September 20 On 19/09/2024 at 10:02, Livi La Vida Loca said: I didn't want him to but even more glad now that JET didn't re sign for us.... https://news.stv.tv/west-central/footballer-jay-emmanuel-thomas-charged-after-600000-of-cannabis-seized-at-stansted-airport Idiotic waste of talent. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livi Posted September 20 Share Posted September 20 Some £650k coming Livi's way. Might help fund the upcoming court case 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stellaboz Posted September 20 Share Posted September 20 How does that work? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cptn Hooch Posted September 20 Share Posted September 20 1 minute ago, Stellaboz said: How does that work? happens when your big time Seriously though, I think it's something to do with our historic final positions during our time in the prem but I could be wrong 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthStander1876 Posted September 20 Share Posted September 20 Other countries let it trickle down. We use it to widen the gap between the Championship and the prem... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stellaboz Posted September 20 Share Posted September 20 So it goes to the SPFL who decide what to do with it? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted September 20 Share Posted September 20 7 minutes ago, Stellaboz said: So it goes to the SPFL who decide what to do with it? UEFA guidance is for it to be shared between top flight clubs only, to stop a gap forming between teams who qualify regularly and those who qualify occasionally. If the league decides differently they can. Top flight clubs, obviously, will never vote to allow the money to go into the 2nd tier. Apparently UEFA are going to set up a new recommendation for it to be shared with 2nd tiers too though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIVIFOREVER Posted September 21 Share Posted September 21 22 hours ago, RandomGuy. said: UEFA guidance is for it to be shared between top flight clubs only, to stop a gap forming between teams who qualify regularly and those who qualify occasionally. If the league decides differently they can. Top flight clubs, obviously, will never vote to allow the money to go into the 2nd tier. Apparently UEFA are going to set up a new recommendation for it to be shared with 2nd tiers too though. Aye nae chance they're voting to reduce the money they get for Championship clubs to get some. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livi Posted Friday at 20:05 Share Posted Friday at 20:05 Looks like Lord Braid is all things Livi on Tuesday in the CoS That surely is more legal fees being paid out as it seems the club lawyers involved in all 3 cases 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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