LIVIFOREVER Posted October 5, 2010 Share Posted October 5, 2010 Massone payed 100% of the wages. The maximum late was 2 days. I worked for him. He payed all repayment plan with the hmrc. He payed two years rent to wlc. The account showed simply the true.... Open Your mind if want the well of the scottish football. Melville want organise the same fraud using cva... You tell as many lies as Massone............. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian Posted October 5, 2010 Share Posted October 5, 2010 Did Massone pay you on time? Yes! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIVIFOREVER Posted October 5, 2010 Share Posted October 5, 2010 brian replies to a post asking MCL if he was paid on time by Massone. Nah, can't be MCL, he got paid after the sheriff officers went to the stadium. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian Posted October 5, 2010 Share Posted October 5, 2010 You tell as many lies as Massone............. Lies?? The accounts was signed by gordon mcdougall.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian Posted October 5, 2010 Share Posted October 5, 2010 brian replies to a post asking MCL if he was paid on time by Massone. Nah, can't be MCL, he got paid after the sheriff officers went to the stadium. Mcl never worked under massone. Ask to him 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdinburghLivi Posted October 5, 2010 Share Posted October 5, 2010 Presumably these accounts were finalised in a period just after the club was taken over by Livi 5?. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hound Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 Yes! Yes you paid yourself lavishly. Townhouse, car... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allstars #9 Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 this is like neighbours you know it's shite but have to keep watching 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCL Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 Did Massone pay you on time? As was mentioned previously in the thread, I stopped working for the club when Pearse owned it as he'd stopped paying my invoices. I started proceedings to recover what was due before he sold the club to Angelo. My action was against Livingston Football Club and not the individual owners so when the club was sold it didn't make any difference to my proceedings. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCL Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 Mcl never worked under massone. Ask to him Correct. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AND180Y Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 Presumably these accounts were finalised in a period just after the club was taken over by Livi 5?. The accounts are to June 29th Livi didnt enter admin till August 18th/19th, the answer to your question is no. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiviNeil Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 (edited) As was mentioned previously in the thread, I stopped working for the club when Pearse owned it as he'd stopped paying my invoices. I started proceedings to recover what was due before he sold the club to Angelo. My action was against Livingston Football Club and not the individual owners so when the club was sold it didn't make any difference to my proceedings. Ok, I'll re-phrase - did LFC, under the ownership of Massone, pay you on time? The point being, you seem to be saying now that Massone was doing fine, all was well, until the bad guys came along and ruined things for him. You seemed to have a different view when you were chasing him for money 2 years ago. Edited October 6, 2010 by LiviNeil 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCL Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 Ok, I'll re-phrase - did LFC, under the ownership of Massone, pay you on time? The point being, you seem to be saying now that Massone was doing fine, all was well, until the bad guys came along and ruined things for him. You seemed to have a different view when you were chasing him for money 2 years ago. I had been due money from LFC for 12 months before Angelo took over so your question is irrelevant. I didn't work for LFC while he was in charge so I didn't have any late payments during his tenure. His reason for not paying was that Pearse had hidden the debts and I and others should chase him for the money. My argument was the club were due the money and he could chase Pearse afterwards if he wanted. I'm not saying he was doing fine. The accounts are saying that and they are signed off by Gordon McDougall. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiviNeil Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 I had been due money from LFC for 12 months before Angelo took over so your question is irrelevant. I didn't work for LFC while he was in charge so I didn't have any late payments during his tenure. His reason for not paying was that Pearse had hidden the debts and I and others should chase him for the money. My argument was the club were due the money and he could chase Pearse afterwards if he wanted. I'm not saying he was doing fine. The accounts are saying that and they are signed off by Gordon McDougall. The list of creditors that were not paid along with late or no payment to employees say that he was not doing so well, but I am no expert. Could it be that the current owners are merely the latest in the list of persona non grata on your hit-list? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AND180Y Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 (edited) The list of creditors that were not paid along with late or no payment to employees say that he was not doing so well, but I am no expert. Could it be that the current owners are merely the latest in the list of persona non grata on your hit-list? Surely though those accounts tell a different story? Looking at them there was no reason to go into admin in August as at 29th June? The year before show hefty contingent liabilities but there is no reason to suggest they had to be paid (to Massone etal?) Edited October 6, 2010 by AND180Y 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiviNeil Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 Surely though those accounts tell a different story? Looking at them there was no reason to go into admin in August as at 29th June? The year before show hefty contingent liabilities but there is no reason to suggest they had to be paid (to Massone etal?) Soemthing doesn't add up then. I would say that Massone did not act as someone who was on top of things. Why did he not pay creditors, (not just ones from Flynn era), why did he cash in the sell on clause for Dorans for a pittance? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AND180Y Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 (edited) Soemthing doesn't add up then. I would say that Massone did not act as someone who was on top of things. Why did he not pay creditors, (not just ones from Flynn era), why did he cash in the sell on clause for Dorans for a pittance? Opinions can be argued upon, accounts filed with companies house cannot. I can't second guess Massone's logic (to be honest he is irelevant in this) but the facts and figures are there in black and white. Either things weren't as bad as they were made out to be or more likely going by the administrators statement that was filed with the court (ergo a legal document) these accounts are wrong. There is a legal obligation that accounts give a true and proper statement of affairs as at the date on them these don't seem to do that? Edited October 6, 2010 by AND180Y 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCL Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 The list of creditors that were not paid along with late or no payment to employees say that he was not doing so well, but I am no expert. Could it be that the current owners are merely the latest in the list of persona non grata on your hit-list? If the accounts are a true reflection then he was reducing the debt, if they are not a true reflection then what is McDougall doing signing them off? Surely, as a former treasurer who helped build a business plan involving complex economics to be used when you managed to get rid of Massone, you can understand the abbreviated accounts posted above? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCL Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 Soemthing doesn't add up then. I would say that Massone did not act as someone who was on top of things. Why did he not pay creditors, (not just ones from Flynn era), why did he cash in the sell on clause for Dorans for a pittance? If he was reducing the debt then he must have been paying some off? I was paid eventually. I would suggest the reason he sold on the Dorrans clause was because his income streams had been strangled by the "Trust" and others who wanted him out. No-one could survive in that case. If the council had written off the debt as they did for the new owners, then reduced it, if the "Trust" had given him money for shares, etc, etc. We might even have been in the SPL by now 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiviNeil Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 If he was reducing the debt then he must have been paying some off? I was paid eventually. I would suggest the reason he sold on the Dorrans clause was because his income streams had been strangled by the "Trust" and others who wanted him out. No-one could survive in that case. If the council had written off the debt as they did for the new owners, then reduced it, if the "Trust" had given him money for shares, etc, etc. We might even have been in the SPL by now What income streams were strangled by the Trust? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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