pub car king Posted August 16, 2016 Share Posted August 16, 2016 So how much has he put in to get the stand renamed and the presidency 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Scorpio Posted August 17, 2016 Author Share Posted August 17, 2016 Everyone of a certain age who I ask about Penman says the same thing - a bit of an arse but a complete Rovers man through and through and seen us right financially more than once. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2711 Posted August 17, 2016 Share Posted August 17, 2016 Basically things for Penman started to go wrong when he fell out with Jimmy Nicholl. Killie, Norwich, Northern Ireland all came calling when we had him but Penman was reluctant to let him leave (obviously). Nicholl got pissed off and and made the fact that they didn't get on pretty public. Because the fans all loved Jimmy, most of us supported him. Once he left, and things went tits up on the park, the knifes were out for Penman. Personally I think he should have stuck with Jimmy Thompson. He wasn't given a fair crack of the whip. It led to the Tommy McLean and Ian Munro eras which went badly wrong! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pub car king Posted August 17, 2016 Share Posted August 17, 2016 Jimmy Thompson saw out the season Nichol left despite the team getting being sold off lock stock and barrel. He was then given money and built his own team over the summer with the largest budget of any rovers manager before or since but got punted after about 4 games at the start of the following season. I always wonder what went on at the start of that season was it too much pressure over the cost of refurbishing the ground large wage bill, players fighting I know Dennis and Duffield had a squarish go at half time. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottydog Posted August 17, 2016 Share Posted August 17, 2016 2711 has the jist of it as I recall proceedings. AP did have a very public spat with Nichol but also didn't get on terribly well with all the other Directors either, some of whom decided to leave as (to quote one at the time who intimated) they "couldn't work with Mr Penman". One of the reputed jibes of the time to Jimmy Nic was the chairman allegedly telling him "I can get a better manager than you for less money!" As for the Jimmy T saga the suggestion has long been AP appointed Thomson as nothing more than a stop gap until his preferred candidate for the post was clear of his court case for being sacked at his previous club (Hearts), the timing of the end of the court case, the subsequent sacking of JT and appointment of McLean (all during Sept 1996) would seem to bear this out. It should never be ignored that Alex P presided over the most successful period certainly in my many years of being a supporter, if not ever. He oversaw a lot that we should be grateful for. But it shouldn't be forgotten either that having taken the club to the SPL won the LC and taken us into Europe the lovely new stands he commissioned Barr Construction to build have been quite problematic and the pitch has never been right since either. Of course AP was not directly in charge of the construction work but as a man who's fortune was built in that industry you'd have thought he would have prevented the issues that followed in the years since. He left the club relegated and with debts (Barr Const being the main one).The money to build at SP came largely from: The Football trust, LC winning run (& TV), UEFA Cup run and the sale of key assets (Cameron, Crawford, Dair, McAnespie and Sinclair). Laudably sound business management at the time. If I'm honest having notoriously had a spat with AP myself I have to admit to not being his biggest fan but in my book I always thought Alan Kelly did far more damage than anyone else in the history of the club and to me will always be the villain of the peace. Although he inherited debts from the previous chairman's time he increased them significantly and set the club in a spiral of financial decline that we are still emerging from. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovers_Lad Posted August 17, 2016 Share Posted August 17, 2016 In a nutshell Scottydog 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Sandy Posted August 17, 2016 Share Posted August 17, 2016 (edited) Re; Rio Olympics. Just been watching a Hungarian Hammer Thrower give it some welly....his name..........Krisztian PARS. Edited August 17, 2016 by Wee Sandy 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2711 Posted August 17, 2016 Share Posted August 17, 2016 Kelly's lifetime season ticket offer continues to be a noose round the clubs neck, even now! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scary Bear Posted August 17, 2016 Share Posted August 17, 2016 Kelly's lifetime season ticket offer continues to be a noose round the clubs neck, even now! Pish. How many folk took it up?My pal had one and he emigrated to New Zealand in 2002. From memory the club was saying there's only about 30 of them still at large. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rrfc83 Posted August 17, 2016 Share Posted August 17, 2016 1 hour ago, 2711 said: Kelly's lifetime season ticket offer continues to be a noose round the clubs neck, even now! Think there are people who still use it ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pub car king Posted August 17, 2016 Share Posted August 17, 2016 Could the club not come to some kind of arrangement with the 30 folk who have had their monies worth now. For example throw them.some hospitality and free tickets for cup games for the next few years would still work out cheaper in the long run. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Archer (Raconteur) Posted August 17, 2016 Share Posted August 17, 2016 1 minute ago, pub car king said: Could the club not come to some kind of arrangement with the 30 folk who have had their monies worth now. For example throw them.some hospitality and free tickets for cup games for the next few years would still work out cheaper in the long run. Val has a few ideas up her sleeve but she'll probably use them in her next book. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scary Bear Posted August 17, 2016 Share Posted August 17, 2016 Could the club not come to some kind of arrangement with the 30 folk who have had their monies worth now. For example throw them.some hospitality and free tickets for cup games for the next few years would still work out cheaper in the long run. You could emotionally blackmail them, but it's Rovers who offered the deal and these punters backed them when they needed the cash. It's only about £7k lost revenue per season and there's no saying these fans even still go or would buy a season ticket otherwise.The club would be better sweet-talking the Police in Fife. They cost us way more money by forcing us to have all ticket games and stopping sales by noon. That is fucking madness given we almost never sell out Starks Park. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broken Algorithms Posted August 17, 2016 Share Posted August 17, 2016 The police, as Scary says, are absolute c***s and must cost us a decent whack for games like Saturday. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovers_Lad Posted August 17, 2016 Share Posted August 17, 2016 10 minutes ago, Scary Bear said: You could emotionally blackmail them, but it's Rovers who offered the deal and these punters backed them when they needed the cash. And some of these punters saw it as a crakin deal for them as opposed to them seeing it as helping the club A fukin stupid idea by a stupid man 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kev23 Posted August 17, 2016 Share Posted August 17, 2016 Pish. How many folk took it up?My pal had one and he emigrated to New Zealand in 2002. From memory the club was saying there's only about 30 of them still at large. As someone who really isn't familiar with the lifelong season ticket due to age, how much was it and what was the initial uptake? What was the general thoughts about it at the time? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scary Bear Posted August 17, 2016 Share Posted August 17, 2016 And some of these punters saw it as a crakin deal for them as opposed to them seeing it as helping the club A fukin stupid idea by a stupid man Either way, it's small beer compared to the ticketing situation we have now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scary Bear Posted August 17, 2016 Share Posted August 17, 2016 As someone who really isn't familiar with the lifelong season ticket due to age, how much was it and what was the initial uptake? What was the general thoughts about it at the time? About 100 folk. £1000.Off The Ball described it as a "Life sentence at Stark's Park." 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodricoh Posted August 17, 2016 Share Posted August 17, 2016 It cost £1000 if you paid cash. I got it with a finance deal so it cost a bit more. The club at one point offered shares in the club worth £800 (they said) to give it up. It was the best buy I ever made! There were around 80 of us who took it up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2711 Posted August 17, 2016 Share Posted August 17, 2016 I don't think the money went to the club. I think Kelly wanted out, wanted his money back and knew if he offered those tickets he could take that as payment and give his shares up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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