Swampy Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 The people of Bradford West should really call for Galloway's resignation. What a stunningly awful thing to think and say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 I assume for George any form of intra marital rape is also impossible, due to contractually entering into "the sex game" with each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xbl Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 The people of Bradford West should really call for Galloway's resignation. What a stunningly awful thing to think and say. Aye, much like that American senator, he's got some serious explaining to do. You can -sort of- see why he has said what he has said, in that consensual sex has happened once, therefore the second time is just an extension of the first. But he's wrong. Very wrong, and he needs to acknowledge this. Edited to add, I'm surprised by this too as Galloway is extremely popular with female voters. Its not like him to make a statement as wrong as this regarding women. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swampy Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 I can indeed see why he said what he said. He's an unthinking defender of the rape culture. Like all such people he needs to be drummed out of public office until he's no longer a threat to women. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xbl Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 I can indeed see why he said what he said. He's an unthinking defender of the rape culture. Like all such people he needs to be drummed out of public office until he's no longer a threat to women. Interestingly, despite these horrendous comments, I have a strong suspicion that if you asked women in his constituency, they wouldn't choose to deselect him. As I said, he's incredibly popular with female voters, which is why this statement has surprised me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 As explained on the link above, the allegations against Assange have been confirmed as constituting rape in English law. As an MP, George Galloway could put forward a bill to change English law to be in line with his views. Presumably he'll be doing this forthwith, as this is such an important principle of justice and "bankrupt the term rape of all meaning"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swampy Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 Interestingly, despite these horrendous comments, I have a strong suspicion that if you asked women in his constituency, they wouldn't choose to deselect him. As I said, he's incredibly popular with female voters, which is why this statement has surprised me. Many women defend the rape culture as much as men, in fairness. edit: also, on the subject of that American senator - like (I assume) Galloway, he really believed what he was saying, and there are indeed Christian articles out there that make that "no conception without consent" argument. He presumably read these in good faith then just assumed they were true, then passed the info along. This is why it's dangerous to only read things that agree with your prejudices. You're not likely to read them skeptically. I imagine he's still wondering what all the fuss is about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chico Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 @hugorifkind: Hold on. If we extradite Julian Assange while he's asleep, does that mean we won't really have extradited him? Hmmm... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 That's quite funny for him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 Many women defend the rape culture as much as men, in fairness. edit: also, on the subject of that American senator - like (I assume) Galloway, he really believed what he was saying, and there are indeed Christian articles out there that make that "no conception without consent" argument. He presumably read these in good faith then just assumed they were true, then passed the info along. This is why it's dangerous to only read things that agree with your prejudices. You're not likely to read them skeptically. I imagine he's still wondering what all the fuss is about. It's not his fault, he just used the wrong words, in the wrong way, and in the wrong order: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisGRAEME Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 Edit: In other news, former Ambassador to Uzbekistan Craig Murray named one of the women accusing Assange of rape on Newsnight last night. Craig Murray is an absolute and total roaster, and a complete creep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swampy Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 No forgiveness from me. Not that this will keep him up at night. That was some way short of a repudiation of what he said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 Blog on Akin and Galloway Edit: In other news, former Ambassador to Uzbekistan Craig Murray named one of the women accusing Assange of rape on Newsnight last night. Craig Murray is an absolute and total roaster, and a complete creep. Maybe so, but the Swedish press named them both ages ago. They're in the public domain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 Craig Murray is an absolute and total roaster, and a complete creep. Creepy? Craig Murray? When I see a young woman, my mind instantaneously runs a sexualised check on her physical appearance and, if I find that appealing, I start acting in the way I can best calculate to enhace my chances. All that happens more or less subconsciously, or at least without any need for conscious initiation on my part.I always rather presumed that all heterosexual men went throught the same process all the time. Apparently I may be wrong. In a less clinical way, the process is described several times, sometimes more and sometimes less fully, in Murder in Samarkand when I describe looking at various girls, most notably of course Nadira. Plainly many people find this off-putting. I would say this. I accept that it may appear that I pay more attention to sexual attributes than is the accepted norm. But I do not accept that this in any way means that I undervalue women’s other attributes. I may find a girl very sexy. But that does not mean in any way that my perception and appreciation of her intelligence, determination, work-rate, courage, dignity, humour etc is any less. Or their opposites if appropriate. … In short, I do not acept the thesis that it demeans women to fancy them. It demeans anyone if you only fancy them. None of which addresses the issue of my tangled love life and the infidelity which has brought much pain to many people, most of whom did not deserve it. I also have to face the fact that I have told many lies to people in my love life, yet I am almost pathologically honest in any other context. What is that about? I do not give the following as the answer. It is neither explanation nor excuse. It is, I think, nonetheless interesting. My entire adult life I have suffered from what used to be called manic depression, and now is known as bipolar disorder. By and large I have struggled against it very successfully, and really major depressive episodes have only kicked in when there is a very big real world problem to act as a trigger. But there have been plenty of very bad days over the last thirty years, at both ends of the swingometer. I took lithium as a student for a short while, but I felt that the changes to the chemical balance of the brain were making Craig Murray disappear, and were replacing him with someone much too bland. The outbreaks of incredible energy and capacity for work, of wit and intellectual vim on the highs were invaluable. I am NOT trying to put myself in their league, but if I give Winston Churchill, Spike Milligan and Stephen Fry as examples of famous manic depressives, you will get some of that feel of genius bordering on madness. A famous psychiatrist (whose name escapes me at the moment) said that if Churchill hadn’t been manic, he would have known the situation was hopeless after Dunkirk and sued for peace. Instead he had that vision and energy to lift a whole nation. Anyway, it is probably because of this avoidance of the medical profession that I was told this week for the very first time that my behaviour was subject to “bipolar infidelity” and “hypersexuality”. Apparently this kind of sexual behaviour is so very frequently part of bipolar disorder, that it is actually one of the diagnostic tests as to whether you are bipolar or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisGRAEME Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 Jeesy peeps. Any time he was around the Union when he was Rector at Dundee he latched on to us and spent his time wandering about leering at lassies and trying to buy them drinks as we frantically tried to ditch him. They all thought he was someone's dad. Complete throbber. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 Blogger Mark Wallace has collected pledges for £6,500 for anyone who manages to set off the Ecuadorian embassy fire alarm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suspect Device Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 If I have sex with a lassie and in the morning she wakes me up with a blowjob that I've not consented to, have I been sexually assaulted? I'd better get on to rape crisis immediately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 If I have sex with a lassie and in the morning she wakes me up with a blowjob that I've not consented to, have I been sexually assaulted? Yes she has sexually assaulted you in that situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swampy Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 If I have sex with a lassie and in the morning she wakes me up with a blowjob that I've not consented to, have I been sexually assaulted? I'd better get on to rape crisis immediately. You should read this: https://sindeloke.wordpress.com/2010/01/13/37/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jojo Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 And we've extradited people who have ended up in Guantanamo and given the US Prestwick Airport as a toilet break. Point caller? Assange is no safer in the UK than he is in Sweden. If anything after the Al Qatada judgment it would be nigh on impossible for Sweden or the UK to extradite Assange to the US without concrete assurances the death penalty would not be sought, that torture would not be used and that a fair trial would be guaranteed. All of which is completely irrelevant given any decision to extradite to the US has to be reviewable by the Strasbourg court and even the slightest suggestion that the above was credible would compel the Swedish government not to extradite him. The purpose of the EAW isn't just to "interview" him. It's to arrest him and charge him. They can't do that on the soil of another sovereign state. Read and learn. They are legally precluded from making such assurances and any such assurances carry no legal weight. The procedure as a matter of Swedish and international law requires that decisions and assurances about whether or not someone will be extradited can only be made AFTER such a request has been lodged with the Swedish government, after the Procurator General has made an assessment on the merits of the application. Since no application exists, they can make no assurances. Indeed it would be inappropriate, undermine the EAW as a working international instrument, and an affront to the rule of law if they were to make special allowances for Assange. How very dare the UK state do everything within its legal powers to detain someone who is subject to a European Arrest Warrant, who has jumped bail, and is now abusing political privilege of a not universally accepted doctrine of international law, in the embassy of a regime with an appalling record on human and civil rights, to avoid being charged with rape in a country subject to some of the strictest international limits on further extradition ever. You're far too trusting of power. As i've said, sweden have already extradited someone on US and egypts demands when he faced torture. They have failed to give assurances that they will not extradite assange. If they had, then i and equador would probably rightly believe there was no danger of extradition to the US. Moreover, there is no bail in sweden which makes it a harder place to assert a political asylum there. The law which britain want to invade the embassy with was written for terrorists, and it's quite clear assange is not a terrorist. The whole asylum system would fall apart if britain decided some countries are incapable of making there own decisions. In terms of international law, asylum law trumps a countries desire to extradite someone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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