~~~ Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 No sympathy, if you endorse the sun like that people will get angry, Hillsborough or not. It's only Liverpool fans who are seething. Most other are a bit "meh" 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjc Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 It's only Liverpool fans who are seething. Most other are a bit "meh" Were the Sun & Kelvin MacKenzie in on the cover up by the Police & the authorities or were they also "duped"? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsenal till I die Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 It's only Liverpool fans who are seething. Most other are a bit "meh" I'm only "meh" because I feel sorry for him over it. What was he thinking? Do a deal with the devil and it only ever ends one way. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 It's only Liverpool fans who are seething. Most other are a bit "meh" They have more reason than most to be 'seething'. I'm just not getting this hatred for the Hillsborough campaign - but whatever floats your boat. You really can't talk about others 'seething' in this thread. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 I'm only "meh" because I feel sorry for him over it. What was he thinking? Do a deal with the devil and it only ever ends one way. The world doesn't revolve around Liverpool FC It's another witch hunt from them. That picture had nothing to do with Hillsborough, but you'd struggle to know that the way people are going on 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 They have more reason than most to be 'seething'. I'm just not getting this hatred for the Hillsborough campaign - but whatever floats your boat. You really can't talk about others 'seething' in this thread. No hate for it. But when you see something like clubs in England looking into bringing in safe standing and the Hillsborough Family Support Group telling us they're writing to every club asking them to oppose it, or the big uproar because Liverpool changed the badge of the kit as it appeared it didn't have a tribute to the victims, the demonisation of people if they read the Sun, The refuses to play on that date.(forcing Chelsea to play a day later before a CL final) and the witch hunts in general, Alan Davis for example. It becomes a bit tiresome. You won't just hear about it on the run up and during the anniversary which would he understandable. It's almost every week. And the worse, are the people who have zero involvement with Hillsborough or the families of the victims preaching to others thinking they are on some moral crusade 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsenal till I die Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 Most right minded people hate the sun... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 Most right minded people hate the sun... Good for them, I just don't read it or let it consume my life with hate. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjc Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 They have more reason than most to be 'seething'. I'm just not getting this hatred for the Hillsborough campaign - but whatever floats your boat. You really can't talk about others 'seething' in this thread. I for one have been accused on this thread of "hatred for the Hillsborough Campaign" but have nothing of the kind......I just have genuine legal questions which also happen to call into question the actions of some ticketless fans on that fateful day......as a fan that stood on a terrace at a Scittish Cup semi final that day I am pleased that the cover up was finally exposed......but remain unconvinced that the Police were solely to blame that day. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjc Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 Good for them, I just don't read it or let it consume my life with hate. 100% agree. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forever_blue Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 what has this milliband picture got to do with hillsborough. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 No hate for it. But when you see something like clubs in England looking into bringing in safe standing and the Hillsborough Family Support Group telling us they're writing to every club asking them to oppose it, or the big uproar because Liverpool changed the badge of the kit as it appeared it didn't have a tribute to the victims, the demonisation of people if they read the Sun, The refuses to play on that date.(forcing Chelsea to play a day later before a CL final) and the witch hunts in general, Alan Davis for example. It becomes a bit tiresome. You won't just hear about it on the run up and during the anniversary which would he understandable. It's almost every week. And the worse, are the people who have zero involvement with Hillsborough or the families of the victims preaching to others thinking they are on some moral crusade Some folk have definitely taken it 'too far' (as they say) - and unfortunately due to the internet and social media this is happening with pretty much every cause or campaign. Now everyone's opinion is out there and unfortunately some folk are very thick. Quite often these folk shout the loudest and as a result things get out of hand (the referendum is arguably another example of this where some reasonable arguments are getting overtaken by arseholes who just fling shite at their opponents). Another example is the grief merchants that spunk emotion all over the place when a celebrity dies. Its something we have to get used to I guess . But its important to remember that at the heart of this topic there was a genuine miscarriage of justice - and because of the number of casualties that miscarriage was a big deal. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjc Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 Some folk have definitely taken it 'too far' (as they say) - and unfortunately due to the internet and social media this is happening with pretty much every cause or campaign. Now everyone's opinion is out there and unfortunately some folk are very thick. Quite often these folk shout the loudest and as a result things get out of hand (the referendum is arguably another example of this where some reasonable arguments are getting overtaken by arseholes who just fling shite at their opponents). Another example is the grief merchants that spunk emotion all over the place when a celebrity dies. Its something we have to get used to I guess . But its important to remember that at the heart of this topic there was a genuine miscarriage of justice - and because of the number of casualties that miscarriage was a big deal. I agree whole-heartedly......and it works both ways. As much as I disagree with people mocking the 96 that died I uphold the right to debate points of law regardless of how heartless that may appear on those who lost their lives/loved ones. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 I agree whole-heartedly......and it works both ways. As much as I disagree with people mocking the 96 that died I uphold the right to debate points of law regardless of how heartless that may appear on those who lost their lives/loved ones. Yep. I'd be very surprised if the actual campaign was apportioning all the blame for the deaths on the police. It was a tragic accident - in the sense that no one wanted it to happen. As far as I know there was some negligence - but the real anger relates to the aftermath (both immediate and more long-term). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjc Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 Yep. I'd be very surprised if the actual campaign was apportioning all the blame for the deaths on the police. It was a tragic accident - in the sense that no one wanted it to happen. As far as I know there was some negligence - but the real anger relates to the aftermath (both immediate and more long-term). In terms of the anger relating to the cover up of the Police's/authoritories I totally concur with.......that was despicable.....but like I said previously....anyone old enough to remember football and the Governments attitude towards it back then wouldn't have been surprised by the cover up......not that this makes it right. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mizfit Posted June 14, 2014 Share Posted June 14, 2014 what has this milliband picture got to do with hillsborough. Exactly this. The sun released a special copy to encourage the country to get behind England in the build up to the World Cup, milliband would have obliged to do the picture without thinking of any possible link to Hillsborough. The fact he has had to apologise to the campaigners when nothing about Hillsborough was mentioned is pathetic. It wouldn't surprise me if they attempted to run for parliament soon 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted June 14, 2014 Share Posted June 14, 2014 Exactly this. The sun released a special copy to encourage the country to get behind England in the build up to the World Cup, milliband would have obliged to do the picture without thinking of any possible link to Hillsborough. The fact he has had to apologise to the campaigners when nothing about Hillsborough was mentioned is pathetic. It wouldn't surprise me if they attempted to run for parliament soon Its not just about Hillsborough though - its about the whole connection with Rupert Murdoch. Milliband got a lot of credit over the NotW scandal - and it looked like their was an appetite to rid politics of Murdoch's influence. In saying that - its still a storm in a teacup. I personally wouldn't associate myself in any way with Murdoch's rag, but that's only one of the many reasons why I'm not the leader of the opposition. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted June 14, 2014 Share Posted June 14, 2014 Exactly this. The sun released a special copy to encourage the country to get behind England in the build up to the World Cup, Bollox, They did it to promote the Sun. No politician should have got involved. He was right to apologise even without the Hillsborough link. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjc Posted June 14, 2014 Share Posted June 14, 2014 Its not just about Hillsborough though - its about the whole connection with Rupert Murdoch. Milliband got a lot of credit over the NotW scandal - and it looked like their was an appetite to rid politics of Murdoch's influence. In saying that - its still a storm in a teacup. I personally wouldn't associate myself in any way with Murdoch's rag, but that's only one of the many reasons why I'm not the leader of the opposition. Would there have been the same outrage if it was the Times he was holding up? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted June 14, 2014 Share Posted June 14, 2014 Would there have been the same outrage if it was the Times he was holding up? No, not as much (in my opinion anyway). It can at least be called a newspaper. It has certain standards. Not my cup of tea, but in no way comparable to the Sun. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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