Co.Down Hibee Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Heroes didn't fall away until season 3, the first two were great. the second one was awful ,it was rushed through because of the writers strike if I remember correctly. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Co.Down Hibee Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 None of them fell away during season two. Prison Break was still enjoyable right through but the second series was nowhere near as good as the first ,what I mean is the quality starts to dip,not necessarily that it is pish, although Heroes was. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
well fan for life Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Prison Break was still enjoyable right through but the second series was nowhere near as good as the first ,what I mean is the quality starts to dip,not necessarily that it is pish, although Heroes was. The first 2 series' of Heroes were both great. Anything after is absolutely pish. Particularly the last series. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T_S_A_R Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 (edited) Why fucking watch US TV shows then? because they are extremely entertaining. but they aren't like novels or movies in that they are not a fully formed text. the creators of books and movies have the ability to go back and edit their stories and can create in any order they see fit. tv shows (and particularly american ones) have the pressure of trying to write while filming and also have to deal with the demands of networks, the reaction of fans, the availability of actors and other factors. a lot of it is made up on the hop and i think it's quite rare for shows to have planned too far ahead. a few examples. lost - jack was supposed to die in the first episode and kate take charge but the producers didn't like her as the main character when they started filming. the guy that played eko quit the show. the fans hated the introduction of paulo and nicki so they got bumped. the actress that played ana lucia got sacked due to getting arrested all the time. ben was supposed to be a minor character but got promoted because he was such a good actor. an interesting article on the origins lost which gives a good account of american tv show production. boardwalk empire - clearly been instructed to be more like game of thrones. season 3 started with a lot of focus on women''s health, racial tension within chalky's family, van alden's attempted redemption and then abandoned them all in favour of fan pleasing violence which co-coincided with the show being renewed for season 4 (a good choice imo, better an excellent action show than an average serious drama) luck - cancelled due to peta protests. breaking bad - had a change of direction midway through season 3 because the mexican brothers were rubbish and gus was brilliant. the sopranos - had to delay season 4 because of the writer's strike, had to deal with nancy marchand passing away between seasons 2 and 3. they had to write paulie out for a while because of the actor's health which led to more silvio and the guy who played ally boy got the jail for dealing. the walking dead - had to spend the entire second season running about a farm because amc gave all their money to mad men, this eventually led to the showrunner quitting and someone else taking over. Edited December 19, 2012 by T_S_A_R 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DomDom Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 We're looking at big hands in 24. Obviously this show was going to descend into madness when it comes to logic. I don't care. It's fantastic. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honest_Man#1 Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 I assumed from that ending that it meant that was it, no more series. Is there definetely a third season? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highlandcowden Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 I assumed from that ending that it meant that was it, no more series. Is there definetely a third season? dont see what in that episode gave you that idea. sauls now a bigger deal at the CIA and that has to be good for the terrorists as im sure hes been their main man all along,a good basis for a new series 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nelsjfc Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 dont see what in that episode gave you that idea. sauls now a bigger deal at the CIA and that has to be good for the terrorists as im sure hes been their main man all along,a good basis for a new series ...and Carrie will be fighting to clear Brody's name. Did Quinn miss the funeral too? Another "angle". 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T_S_A_R Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 i don't think quinn would be invited to funeral. it'll be interesting to see if saul owns up to knowing brody was a terrorist months before the bombing and having seen the video. i'm guessing not because the truth would surely mean him and carrie getting binned from the cia. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Master Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 (edited) it'll be interesting to see if saul owns up to knowing brody was a terrorist months before the bombing and having seen the video. i'm guessing not because the truth would surely mean him and carrie getting binned from the cia. The CIA also knew about the video - Saul showed it to Carrie then took it to Estes, hence the reason Brodie was questioned then recruited. I'm not convinced he's the "mole", though. Yes, things keep pointing to it (the polygraph, "conveniently" being away when the bomb went off), but it seems too obvious. And his Hebrew prayer at the end was, I suspect, put there for people to think it was Arabic. Edited December 24, 2012 by The Master 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boghead ranter Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 The CIA also knew about the video - Saul showed it to Carrie then took it to Estes, hence the reason Brodie was questioned then recruited. I'm not convinced he's the "mole", though. Yes, things keep pointing to it (the polygraph, "conveniently" being away when the bomb went off), but it seems too obvious. And his Hebrew prayer at the end was, I suspect, put there for people to think it was Arabic. Apart from that, why do people think Saul's a terrorist/mole? It's not an angle I was really getting. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T_S_A_R Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 The CIA also knew about the video - Saul showed it to Carrie then took it to Estes, hence the reason Brodie was questioned then recruited. they kept it secret between themselves. hence the shitty off campus command room and carrie's two gormless pals doing all the surveillance work on a matter of national security. the only people alive who definitely know that video was in cia hands long before the attack are saul, carrie and quinn from the cia plus the two stooges and brody himself. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Master Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 Apart from that, why do people think Saul's a terrorist/mole? It's not an angle I was really getting. I think the seed was sown in the first season when he failed a polygraph test, then happened to be around when a suspect (I forget who) was slipped a razor blade and killed himself. There's then loads of smaller things (i.e. like last night when he happened to be away when the bomb went off). they kept it secret between themselves. hence the shitty off campus command room and carrie's two gormless pals doing all the surveillance work on a matter of national security. the only people alive who definitely know that video was in cia hands long before the attack are saul, carrie and quinn from the cia plus the two stooges and brody himself. I don't think it's unrealistic to expect the CIA to have secrets, even within the organisation. They already suspected they had a mole, so it's fairly easy to justify a "need to know" approach. They also needed Brody to continue as a Congressman and potential running mate, and the more people that knew, the bigger chance of the VP finding out. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highlandcowden Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 Apart from that, why do people think Saul's a terrorist/mole? It's not an angle I was really getting. terrorists in custody always seem to manage to conveniently kill themselves after hes had a conversation with them 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honest_Man#1 Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 terrorists in custody always seem to manage to conveniently kill themselves after hes had a conversation with them Who were the others, other than Aileen? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highlandcowden Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 in series 1,brodies most brutal guard was captured,despite having been searched he was able use a razor to top himself 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honest_Man#1 Posted December 25, 2012 Share Posted December 25, 2012 (edited) in series 1,brodies most brutal guard was captured,despite having been searched he was able use a razor to top himself Ah yes, cheers, couldn't remember! Wait, was that not Brody that gave him the razor? Edited December 25, 2012 by Honest_Man#1 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christophe Posted December 25, 2012 Share Posted December 25, 2012 Brodie was the last to speak to him but it was never clear who gave him the razor. Saul spoke to him before Brodie. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 Here's a mindfuck... = 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeyblair Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 Great show and would be disappointed if there was not another series. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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