~~~ Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 Everyone is out to get them still http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19137624 Rangers fans groups have objected to the appointment of Harper MacLeod to investigate claims against the club's previous owners. The Glasgow firm will probe, on behalf of the Scottish Premier League, alleged dual contracts for players from 2000. But a joint statement from three fans groups has questioned the process that could lead to the stripping of titles. "Harper MacLeod have acted for Celtic FC, who would be the main beneficiaries of any finding of guilt," they state. "Indeed, until it was recently removed, they included a testimonial from Celtic CEO Peter Lawwell on their website. "The SPL could have chosen any law firm to carry out this investigation and it was extremely naive of them to appoint a firm with such a close connection to a rival club." The Rangers Supporters Assembly, the Rangers Supporters Trust and the Rangers Supporters Association suggest that, in discussing the stripping of titles, "it appears the SPL has assumed guilt when nothing has yet been proved". They urge the football authorities to ensure that the investigatiion is carried out "with the necessary independence, transparency and integrity". Rangers remain the subject of a tax investigation by Revenue and Customs into the use of employee benefit trusts to pay members of staff While the courts have yet to rule on their legality, the SPL is investigating whether such earnings contravened its requirement that all earnings should be declared to the national parent body. The SPL has stated that, once Harper MacLeod submits its evidence, an independent commission, likely to be made up of foreign nationals, will be appointed with the power to determine what sanctions, if any, are appropriate. However, Rangers' fans groups state: "We are concerned that, despite the SPL having 18 sanctions available, the only punishment being discussed is the most serious, yet no guilt has even been established. "This, again, leads to a danger of exerting undue influence on the tribunal members through the media. "We believe this is being driven by influential members of the SPL board and recently formed 'steering committee' with the most to gain." A BBC documentary, "Rangers, The Men Who Sold The Jerseys", found evidence suggesting that 38 Rangers players had received side-letters giving undertakings to fund their sub-trusts with cash. The fans groups suggest that such media coverage, and similar newspaper articles, will make it difficult for any investigators to remain impartial. Celtic have previously confirmed that they established one EBT scheme in April 2005, which BBC Scotland understands was for the benefit of Brazilian midfielder Juninho Paulista. "We would question why there appears to be no on-going investigation into the so-called 'Juninho EBT' used by Celtic FC," add the Rangers fans groups. "Our understanding is that Celtic acknowledged that this was not declared to the football authorities as part of their licence application." The SPL did not wish to comment and Harper MacLeod have yet to comment on the supporters' statement. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeeHectorPar Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 After the press meeting with Green, Burley has discovered that he doesn't like succulent Yorkshire puddings. Or could it be that he is allergic to the Mint Sauce? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyderspaceman Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 Click on the dropdown next to 'signed in as cyderspaceman' at the top of the page, choose 'my settings' and adjust to your location Thanks! Changed it from London to Paris and it worked. Now shows UK time. Don't understand why it was 2 hours out , when it thought I was in London though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyderspaceman Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 Everyone is out to get them still http://www.bbc.co.uk...otball/19137624 Classic "whataboutery" at the end. The legal fraternity will not take kindly to one of their own being impugned. If it gets shifted to another firm I'm sure they will act with utmost impartiality. As will Harper McLeod. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pozbaird Posted August 5, 2012 Author Share Posted August 5, 2012 (edited) Sevco's second match in their history is on Tuesday at home in the League Cup? Anyone want to lay odds that they play in their special Ramsdens Cup jerseys again, to postpone the inevitable sleeve/Irn Bru patch interface situation? Edited August 5, 2012 by pozbaird 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 I see it's justthe forum dregs who are still posting on this. -4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ned Nederlander Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 I see it's justthe forum dregs who are still posting on this. Apparently so 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Kong Bundy Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 I see it's justthe forum dregs who are still posting on this. You? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaspode Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 Kilmarnock manager Kenny Shiels says there must be a second tier of the Scottish Premier League established next season, with Rangers playing in it as the Ibrox club should be competing against "professional people" and not "part-timers such as Albion Rovers and Stranraer". Yet more arse licking! Getting a bit sick of hearing how Rangers should be catapulted into a SPL2. Why should a team that cheated for years and ended up in administration and got what it deserves by starting again in Div3 be allowed to go into a SPL2 ahead of all the other teams in the lower divisions? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ned Nederlander Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 Sevco's second match in their history is on Tuesday at home in the League Cup? Anyone want to lay odds that they play in their special Ramsdens Cup jerseys again, to postpone the inevitable sleeve/Irn Bru patch interface situation? But it's orange and blue They'll have lazy lob-ons at the very thought of it !! Remember all the brass neck they put into constructing their Netherlands gala day in order to do that in the past ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P45 Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 Everyone is out to get them still http://www.bbc.co.uk...otball/19137624 They would've complained even if it was Donald Findlay doing it. Take the lot aff them. Cheating fucks. I hope Sally stays though so he can be shown up to be a liar and a shite manager, and eventually be sacked. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pozbaird Posted August 5, 2012 Author Share Posted August 5, 2012 I see it's justthe forum dregs who are still posting on this. You posted this after me, but didn't quote me, so I don't know if you were directing this at me. Answer the question. Do Sevco have special edition Ramsdens Cup jerseys that are an Irn Bru free zone? Brechin City had their sponsor patches clearly showing to a live TV audience. I'm being serious. Scottish football was in danger of losing sponsor money due to the actions of Sevco's previous incarnation. It is extremely disrespectful to a major SFL sponsor to deliberately abstain from displaying their logo. Sevco need to get a grip. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FinnesTON Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 Everyone is out to get them still http://www.bbc.co.uk...otball/19137624 http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19122299 Billy Dodds clears any doubt about how the EBT scheme worked When i left the club I was owed £190K for the remainder of my contract, which was paid through the EBT scheme.The club may have paid Dodds what he was due but if they deducted tax from that at what rate ? This is not damning in terms of the SPL investigation but should put another nail in the coffin as far as HMRC as they used the scheme to pay wages which are a no no. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 You posted this after me, but didn't quote me, so I don't know if you were directing this at me. Answer the question. Do Sevco have special edition Ramsdens Cup jerseys that are an Irn Bru free zone? Brechin City had their sponsor patches clearly showing to a live TV audience. I'm being serious. Scottish football was in danger of losing sponsor money due to the actions of Sevco's previous incarnation. It is extremely disrespectful to a major SFL sponsor to deliberately abstain from displaying their logo. Sevco need to get a grip. No, not aimed at you. To tell the truth i never noticed, maybe because we were on a temporary license from the SFA for that game only. I assume we'll have the irn bru nadges on once the league kicks off. I'll keep on an eye on it anyway. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 http://www.bbc.co.uk...otball/19122299 Billy Dodds clears any doubt about how the EBT scheme worked When i left the club I was owed £190K for the remainder of my contract, which was paid through the EBT scheme.The club may have paid Dodds what he was due but if they deducted tax from that at what rate ? This is not damning in terms of the SPL investigation but should put another nail in the coffin as far as HMRC as they used the scheme to pay wages which are a no no. We're a newco, they've already stated they are now going after individuals, not the club. So if they go after Murray then everyones a winner. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pozbaird Posted August 5, 2012 Author Share Posted August 5, 2012 No, not aimed at you. To tell the truth i never noticed, maybe because we were on a temporary license from the SFA for that game only. I assume we'll have the irn bru nadges on once the league kicks off. I'll keep on an eye on it anyway. Good man. Wouldn't like to think Sevco thought that anything bar gold edition Clydesdale Bank SPL patches on their kit was beneath them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wunfellaff Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 Anyone know what the opening attendance figures were compared to last year? How do they compare up or down % wise ? An Orc posted this earlier, don't know re today or last year though. Celtic v Aberdeen. Att: 48,251 Capacity: 60,832 79% full. Hearts V St Johnstone. Att: 13,022 Capacity: 17,420 74% full. Kilmarnock v Dundee. Att: 6,523 Capacity: 18,128 36% full. Ross County v Motherwell. Att: 4,828 Capacity: 6,300 77% full. St Mirren v Inverness Caley Thistle. Att: 4,104 Capacity: 8,023 51% full. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montague Withnail Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 It's nice to be a lunatic. Hit me! Hit me! Hit me! arseholes, b*****ds fucking c***s and p***ks 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wunfellaff Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 Nicola Lawwell ( Bottom right (edited) ) So much for the " independent " enquiry into the EBT scheme ? Surely yet another example of a conflict of interest ? Why are Harper Mcleod being allowed to investigate us ? Something stinks ! Peter Lawwells daughter worked for the 'independant' Harper MacLeod Jeekers, it has fair got the Orcs in a seething rage 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kildog Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 We're a newco, they've already stated they are now going after individuals, not the club. So if they go after Murray then everyones a winner. I am still confused. Are you a newco with all the previous clubs history? or are you a newco that has only played one game? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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