~~~ Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 So, despite asking many times Rangers fans can't seem to answer some straight forward questions. Are Rangers going to pay back the outstanding money to the creditors? If not, why not? Doesn't that embarrass Rangers fans how many people they have cheated out of money? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingrodent Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 Whats the poiint in trying to debate anymore when every post a Rangers fan makes gets pounced on by atleast 20 posters who back each other up with sheer weight of numbers and shout down any points made by Rangers fans. When this along with the alias problem stops then the debating can start again Oh, come on Benny - if the last few pages show anything, it's that trying to have any kind of reasoned debate with you and your fellow RFC supporters is utterly pointless, because it's the last thing you want. Every time some new facet of this ongoing saga crops up, you lot are only interested in rubbishing it, no matter how credible the source or whether it turns out to be true. We've got about five pages of exactly that, just from last night, and that's without addressing the serial whataboutery. P&B may not be a posh debating society, but you've got a clacking set of brass balls to accuse anyone else of dodging debate. You and your pals here have done nothing but dodge, deflect and divert for months, shamelessly so. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 Someone is touchy. Not been having your kidneys bashed recently dear? Give a guy a compliment and someone else finds fault with it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 Oh, come on Benny - if the last few pages show anything, it's that trying to have any kind of reasoned debate with you and your fellow RFC supporters is utterly pointless, because it's the last thing you want. Every time some new facet of this ongoing saga crops up, you lot are only interested in rubbishing it, no matter how credible the source or whether it turns out to be true. We've got about five pages of exactly that, just from last night, and that's without addressing the serial whataboutery. P&B may not be a posh debating society, but you've got a clacking set of brass balls to accuse anyone else of dodging debate. You and your pals here have done nothing but dodge, deflect and divert for months, shamelessly so. Utter nonsense, the debate on here consists of endless c&p's from bloggers and Celtic websites which may or not be factual. Any debate on the issue is met with posts of your clubs pure deid, sevco, the Rangers, it's no the same club, youse yins pure cheated, gonnae die again etc. Hardly your utopian debating society. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wunfellaff Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 Utter nonsense, the debate on here consists of endless c&p's from bloggers and Celtic websites which may or not be factual. Any debate on the issue is met with posts of your clubs pure deid, sevco, the Rangers, it's no the same club, youse yins pure cheated, gonnae die again etc. Hardly your utopian debating society. But it is Utopia 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 But it is Utopia Kudos on the great debate we're having. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingrodent Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 Utter nonsense, the debate on here consists of endless c&p's from bloggers and Celtic websites which may or not be factual. Any debate on the issue is met with posts of your clubs pure deid, sevco, the Rangers, it's no the same club, youse yins pure cheated, gonnae die again etc. Hardly your utopian debating society. Yes, you do get plenty of that stuff, and good - it's a football board, not parliament. It's pretty telling that your response to accusations of deflection and question-dodging is... to point out that other people are pure daein' it as well and they other ones are worse. Again. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearwithme Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 So, despite asking many times Rangers fans can't seem to answer some straight forward questions. Are Rangers going to pay back the outstanding money to the creditors? If not, why not? Doesn't that embarrass Rangers fans how many people they have cheated out of money? No, the remaining creditors are not going to be paid. It's unfortunate but it's the way company law works (and a similar thing happens with companies who agree CVAs). If you really don't like the way company law works and think it's "cheating" - as opposed to just bashing Rangers - I suggest you make representations to the government. Green's consortium and the fans have paid more to creditors than was required by law. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wunfellaff Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 Kudos on the great debate we're having. Just funnin' awaiting your reply on the FPLG and EBT's........ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 Yes, you do get plenty of that stuff, and good - it's a football board, not parliament. It's pretty telling that your response to accusations of deflection and question-dodging is... to point out that other people are pure daein' it as well and they other ones are worse. Again. If you want a debate then cut it out, if you want a free for all then carry on as we are doing. Or just go with the flow.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 Just funnin' awaiting your reply on the FPLG and EBT's........ FPLG? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingrodent Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 No, the remaining creditors are not going to be paid. It's unfortunate but it's the way company law works (and a similar thing happens with companies who agree CVAs). If you really don't like the way company law works and think it's "cheating" - as opposed to just bashing Rangers - I suggest you make representations to the government. Green's consortium and the fans have paid more to creditors than was required by law. Just to be clear, here - are you saying that it's the government's fault that your club ripped off its creditors? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wunfellaff Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 FPLG? Your teams boss as you very well know. But hey, waste a few more posts without debating....... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 Just to be clear, here - are you saying that it's the government's fault that your club ripped off its creditors? The guy took the time out to give Rico the reply he's been looking for and you act the arsehole. This is why most of us don't waste our time debating. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FinnesTON Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 Sally fails to talk about it was his failings in Europe that caused the club to be placed in administration funny that. “The only reason we went into administration was non-payment of PAYE and National Insurance. It was nothing to do with EBTs.” I would have thought it was the other way round due to the EBT's we stopped paying PAYE and NI to bring on administration. Does anyone else think administration was going to be avoided and the EBT case would have vanished. Oh Fat Sally, his only real attribute is getting the lowest to act in threatening others, not so good at his job and certainly no handle on the financial realities of club No1 or indeed No2. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 Your teams boss as you very well know. But hey, waste a few more posts without debating....... I'd no idea what is was, still haven't a clue what it stands for. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearwithme Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 Just to be clear, here - are you saying that it's the government's fault that your club ripped off its creditors? No, that's not what I'm saying. What I said is pretty clear I think, if you don't try to get too imaginative. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wunfellaff Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 I'd no idea what is was, still haven't a clue what it stands for. Fishing you are so I will bite. FPLG is an old name for Sally based on his record. Fat Paul Le Guin. It has fallen out of common useage of late as PLG doesn't want to be assossiated with FPLG. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingrodent Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 The guy took the time out to give Rico the reply he's been looking for and you act the arsehole. This is why most of us don't waste our time debating. No, I think the question is fair enough, given the antiseptic language - oh, It's unfortunate, it's just the way company law works, if you don't like it complain to the government, they write the law. Which is certainly one way of putting what happened at Old Rangers. Another way of putting it would be to say that your club intentionally defrauded the Treasury and continued to buy goods, services and even players in the full knowledge that it would probably have to default on its debts. They were still trying to sign players when HMRC dropped the guillotine on you, FFS, knowing full well that payment would never be made. It's certainly true to say that the ripping off of creditors was "Just the way company law works" and that the government are responsible for company law. On the other hand, this is much like arguing that Neil Simpson crunching Ian Durrant was "just one of those things that happen in football" and noting that the SFA are responsible for punishing foul play. It's the difference between a sin of commission and one of omission, or like saying "Mistakes were made" rather than "I intentionally bought stuff off you in the full knowledge that I would never be able to pay for it". RFC knew full well what they were doing when they screwed those creditors, and hand-waving it away as just one of those things that happens in business is massively and intentionally misrepresenting the situation. Which may strike you as a pedantic point to make, but it certainly isn't arseholery - it's right at the heart of the issue. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingrodent Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 No, that's not what I'm saying. What I said is pretty clear I think, if you don't try to get too imaginative. Cheers - see above. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.