Big Rangers Administration/Liquidation Thread - All chat here!

[oscar mad]

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Does it say "company" or "club"?

Genuine question.

The company and the club are the same thing, if they weren't then why did Rangers FC get docked 10 points for the companies financial failures? Why are UEFA bringing in severe penalties for Clubs if the companies that run them don't adhere to the financial fair play rules?

Rangers are dead

[Bearwithme]

The company and the club are the same thing, if they weren't then why did Rangers FC get docked 10 points for the companies financial failures? Why are UEFA bringing in severe penalties for Clubs if the companies that run them don't adhere to the financial fair play rules?

Rangers are dead

Well done. You've beat yourself.

[The Troll]

This has already been discussed and discredited

Round 2 rules supercede round 3 rules and the rules for round 2 clearly state that all clubs currently playing in SFL3 must enter the cup in round 2, but yer typical tic blog will omit this fact of course

Thank you for making a decent point

[TheBeither]

Has there ever been a longer thread on P&B than this one?

4206 pages. f**k,

[TheBeither]

Has there ever been a longer thread on P&B than this one?

4206 pages. f**k.

[lithgierose]

Has there ever been a longer thread on P&B than this one?

4206 pages. f**k.

it will carry on until the final nail is rammed home

Edited December 29, 2012 by lithgierose

[bennett]

The problem here is that you have posters like young Dhesnboy reading stuff on blogs then copy and pasting it on here without really understanding just how complex it is.

I'd say that the vast majority on here don't fully understand (myself included) company law, football rules an regs, admin/liquidation etc. It's obvious that most of the views on here are not coming from the posters involved, they are merely parrotting what they've read elsewhere.

Shite that takes years to learn was mastered by the P&Bers in a matter of hours.

[wunfellaff]

The problem here is that you have posters like young Dhesnboy reading stuff on blogs then copy and pasting it on here without really understanding just how complex it is.

I'd say that the vast majority on here don't fully understand (myself included) company law, football rules an regs, admin/liquidation etc. It's obvious that most of the views on here are not coming from the posters involved, they are merely parrotting what they've read elsewhere.

Shite that takes years to learn was mastered by the P&Bers in a matter of hours.

I would say it is far from 'complex'...... Rangers were at it, then died.

All the rest of it is soley down to the Footba Authorities trying to retain the 'brand' due to financial self interest, and The People acting like Hayley Joel Osment.

[Bearwithme]

Comprehension failure (or should he have used inverted commas to assist you?) ... well done.

Neither.

[Ken Fitlike]

On the subject of transferring to become a new (club) legal entity ..

Beautiful article for reference and clarity ... couple it with other governing bodies references to club structures.

It makes the club and company argument so much clearer if you understand the concept of the original club as a legal entity and structure with members etc.

Guide to Club structures and legal entiities ......

As Tedi is fond of saying ... 'dem's de rulz'.

Cue Tedi or any other member of the Amigos Association picking on a random spelling error, a minor point that may be subject to a bizzare out of left field quibble, and then use that to declare the entire piece invalid - or 'tic blog fantasy'

[Shades75]

I read the same article yesterday.

I assumed that it would have been dismissed previously on the grounds of the Author's name or suchlike.

Thereafter, I assumed the claim would be that because of that, it had been discredited and no longer up for discussion. It's what I've seen happen quite a bit.

[Captain_Sensible]

The problem here is that you have posters like young Dhesnboy reading stuff on blogs then copy and pasting it on here without really understanding just how complex it is.

I'd say that the vast majority on here don't fully understand (myself included) company law, football rules an regs, admin/liquidation etc. It's obvious that most of the views on here are not coming from the posters involved, they are merely parrotting what they've read elsewhere.

Shite that takes years to learn was mastered by the P&Bers in a matter of hours.

Its not complex at all. Its very simple.

Rangers are in liquidation. Sevco bought some of the assets from Rangers (a club, titles and trophies are not amongst the list of assets purchased) and then renamed themselves "The Rangers".

This brand new club called The Rangers are starting life in the Third Division.

[Guest Kincardine]

Catholosisim is the original Christian religion any other version of it has been extracted from it by definition regardless

More breathtaking ignorance from you. Christianity predates Catholicism and The Catholic Church isn't the oldest. Can you stop promulgating this unalloyed pish?

BTW, since you most likely overlooked my post from few days ago I feel I should repost it

Sorry, I missed this and wasn't ignoring it.

You asked:

I'd still like to know what punishment you would have given your team for not paying PAYE & NIC? Sevco fans are notorious for dodging this issue.

I don't have any issue with the punishments we've had. They're all pretty fair and reasonable.

My issue is with the process and how decisions were arrived at. The SPL handed the SFL a dreadful hospital pass and then tried to take the piss out of the rest of football. The SFA were ignorant and impotent. Not one iota of leadership.

So I don't quibble with the outcome but the handling of the situation was thoroughly inept.

[Monkey Tennis]

Sorry, I missed this and wasn't ignoring it.

You asked:

I'd still like to know what punishment you would have given your team for not paying PAYE & NIC? Sevco fans are notorious for dodging this issue.

I don't have any issue with the punishments we've had. They're all pretty fair and reasonable.

My issue is with the process and how decisions were arrived at. The SPL handed the SFL a dreadful hospital pass and then tried to take the piss out of the rest of football. The SFA were ignorant and impotent. Not one iota of leadership.

So I don't quibble with the outcome but the handling of the situation was thoroughly inept.

In fairness, you did offer a similar answer previously, and Youngsy has done so too.

It was Bennett who bleated about wanting to be treated with fairness.

When asked what 'fair' would mean in this context, he jibbered something about me answering my own question and failed to respond when asked to explain how I had.

He did however offer Bendarroch a greenie for saying the sanction should have matched the one given to Hearts.

I like Bennett, but he does enjoy a bit of evasion, not just from his favourite team.

[hellbhoy]

I thought Judaism was where the origins of Christian religion began.

NICE POST they are all a bunch of Jews they just don't know it yet

[hellbhoy]

I see a lot of reference to the fact that it is the company who owns the SFA membership. Can anyone furnish me with a link to something from the SFA which confirms this. Indeed, do the SFA make the distinction between the "club" and "company"?

I don't think it is the case, but I am happy to be proved wrong.

Before the SFA was formed clubs didn't need to be a company until the league was formed.

To be a member of the SFA league a club had to become a company to trade in football,clubs now started to charge money to watch football and liabilities had to be met with a company based club to adhere to laws of the land of making money.The club had to morph into a company if it wanted to play in the SFA league and is a legal requirement when the exchange of money is involved.Even junior clubs have to be registered with companies house as they charge money to watch their unpaid footballers.

The club is in fact the company that makes money by playing football in the leagues.If the club goes bust by overspending then it becomes liquidated just like what has happened to Rangers.

I can in a way relate to Rangers fans saying it's the same club to which in many ways it still is but unfortunately for Rangers fans the club actually died first before reforming again.There are differences to the old club and that will never change ! the companies house registration and the change of name from Sevco Scotland to the old clubs name and the sale of assets to Charles Green when the old club was very much still alive.

It's still "A" Rangers team that plays football at Ibrox these days but the old club died first before the reformed club could lay claim to still be any sort of continuation of "A" Rangers team and can in my opinion can lay claim to to the dead clubs history as a sort of continuation but it is not the club that won any honours the old club won.

But we all know Rangers fans will still claim it's the very same club even when the powers that be broke their own rules in order to accommodate and pander to the Rangers fans who would not have supported the new club unless they were in a way conned into believing it's a continuation of a member club ! notice how they carefully word it ! member club and don't actually say it's the very same club by an act of transferring of the licence when they didn't do that for any other liquidated club that reformed ?.

No one ever thought that Celtic or Rangers would ever go bust EVER and everything that happened later is a result of the powers that be did not EVER think that such a thing could ever happen.They were caught out with their pants down and panicked like rabbits in the headlights and broke many rules to accommodate and pander to a very large support and gave Charles Green just about every opportunity to reform the dead club in a CLONE image to replace the dead club like nothing ever happened only for one thing MONEY.

[bennett]

In fairness, you did offer a similar answer previously, and Youngsy has done so too.

It was Bennett who bleated about wanting to be treated with fairness.

When asked what 'fair' would mean in this context, he jibbered something about me answering my own question and failed to respond when asked to explain how I had.

He did however offer Bendarroch a greenie for saying the sanction should have matched the one given to Hearts.

I like Bennett, but he does enjoy a bit of evasion, not just from his favourite team.

If i said you answered your own question, then you must have done so. For the life me i can't remember it but i'm sure it was memorable for you.

[hellbhoy]

If i said you answered your own question, then you must have done so. For the life me i can't remember it but i'm sure it was memorable for you.

HIYA Benny did you have a nice Christmas ?

[wunfellaff]

HIYA Benny did you have a nice Christmas ?

Stoopid question, Santa can't reanimate...........

[Guest Kincardine]

To be a member of the SFA league a club had to become a company to trade in football.

Celtic joined the SFL when it was formed in 1890 and because a limited company in 1897. Ergo you're talking yet more unmitigated pish to try and make some club-company link that defies any kind of logic or history.