Big Rangers Administration/Liquidation Thread - All chat here!

[GWA]

What it is called, and what image rights it owns are irrelevant to the fact that it is not, and never can be, the club which was set up in 1872.

You will maintain this stance till the day you die. In the hope that your club will then inherit the title as Scotland's most successful club. AS club that I might add has changed it's name in the not to distant past.

[GlasgowCeltic.org]

You will maintain this stance till the day you die. In the hope that your club will then inherit the title as Scotland's most successful club. AS club that I might add has changed it's name in the not to distant past.

Clubs can change their name to whatever they want, they're still the same club.

[Savage Henry]

Clubs can change their name to whatever they want, they're still the same club.

You've just said that Rangers aren't the same club...

[Fife Saint]

You will maintain this stance till the day you die. In the hope that your club will then inherit the title as Scotland's most successful club. AS club that I might add has changed it's name in the not to distant past.

Hardly a glowing accolade.

Sevco fans seem to keep throwing up Celtic's floating as some kind of watershed moment for the history of that 'club'. Utterly bizarre.

[Wings Over Scotland]

Craig Whyte has, from a distance, done nothing illegal. He's fucked up a company and made a tidy scheme, but he's not broken the law. I'm sure one of the resident legal eagles will confirm this.

I believe HMRC have a somewhat contradictory opinion. All we can say at this point with certainty is that he hasn't yet been arrested and charged with anything.

[GlasgowCeltic.org]

You've just said that Rangers aren't the same club...

Being liquidated is not the same changing your name.

[Wings Over Scotland]

You've just said that Rangers aren't the same club...

They're not. Celtic, however, didn't go into liquidation.

[hellbhoy]

"The Rangers Football Club PLC" != "The Rangers Football Club Ltd"

FROM STV !

A club spokesman said the STV story was: "ignorant and ill-informed" and "has caused alarm to Rangers supporters." He added: "For the avoidance of doubt, Ibrox and Murray Park are the property of The Rangers Football Club, which at present is registered as Sevco Scotland Ltd until a name change is given formal approval.

"Sevco Scotland was formed to ensure that if the formation of a new company was required in the event of a CVA being rejected, then the Club’s corporate entity would be a Scottish registered company as it has always been."

So Green can't use Rangers until he has been given approval and is still sevco Scotland until otherwise .Also Greens Rangers are a new company.Where will this end ?.

[kramer]

He also gave Whyte another quid for the hell of it. That means Whyte made a 200% profit .

That still cracks me up, the blunder and that The Times and The Guardian quoted him as saying 100%.

Buying something for a pound and selling it for £2 is a 100% profit though, unless I'm missing something...

[Savage Henry]

I believe HMRC have a somewhat contradictory opinion. All we can say at this point with certainty is that he hasn't yet been arrested and charged with anything.

Yeah you're right. I should have worded that differently. Ostensibly, he's completely out of the picture and most likely won't be seen in these parts - or in this story - again. Let's put it that way.

[Wings Over Scotland]

Buying something for a pound and selling it for £2 is a 100% profit though, unless I'm missing something...

He didn't sell it anyway. That transaction referred to the shares, and in the end Green never bought Whyte's shares.

[Savage Henry]

Buying something for a pound and selling it for £2 is a 100% profit though, unless I'm missing something...

Charles Green, in one of his earlier, more hilarious press conferences, suggested otherwise. It's a deliberate mistake on the poster's part.

[Bloomogganners]

Threads had more views than the population of Scotland , getitupye Traynor

[kramer]

Charles Green, in one of his earlier, more hilarious press conferences, suggested otherwise. It's a deliberate mistake on the poster's part.

I must have missed that, cheers

[Wings Over Scotland]

Just in case anyone hasn't seen this already, btw:

EDIT: Well, that didn't work. Try this: http://twitpic.com/aaucul

Edited July 23, 2012 by Wings Over Scotland

[chico]

"A club spokesman said the STV story was: "ignorant and ill-informed" and "has caused alarm to Rangers supporters." He added: "For the avoidance of doubt, Ibrox and Murray Park are the property of The Rangers Football Club, which at present is registered as Sevco Scotland Ltd until a name change is given formal approval."

Did they really put that out? Wow.

[wunfellaff]

Yeah you're right. I should have worded that differently. Ostensibly, he's completely out of the picture and most likely won't be seen in these parts - or in this story - again. Let's put it that way.

I beg to differ, what was he and King doing in Zurich at the same time as Green last week for? Shopping?

Craigy still has a big part to play in this story.

[jester]

Police call for an end to Old Firm derbies in bid to end bloody mayhem

Feb 27 2011 Exclusive by Stephen Stewart, Sunday Mail

A POLICE leader demanded the Old Firm derby is banned amid escalating violence yesterday.

Les Gray, chairman of the Scottish Police Federation representing rank and file officers, said the nation simply cannot afford to deal with the drunken violence sparked by every clash between Rangers and Celtic.

And, after the violence and disorder that surrounded last Sunday's game, he claims the only solution is to forbid the teams from ever playing each other again.

Gray told the Sunday Mail: "The Old Firm games should be banned. They are just not worth the murder and mayhem that accompanies them.

"Every time we think we've got to grips with this issue, it just flares up again - as it did on Sunday.

"The cost to the police and the taxpayer is astronomical. In these harsh financial times, we can't afford to allow this any longer.

"A straightforward murder investigation can cost the taxpayer £1million, while a serious assault can cost £250,000.

"And it's not uncommon to get these kinds of crimes after an Old Firm match. Just look at the statistics for the violence.

"If the players are on the park squaring up to each other and being aggressive, I cringe.

"I know this violence will be replicated later on Scotland's streets - but then it will be done with bottles and knives."

Gray's demand comes after one of the worst weekends of football-related violence with arrests and casualties reported across Scotland.

Paul Coleshill, a member of Glasgow police board, said a ban was not out of the question: "It is not set in stone that these games have to come to pass. I can't see how we can go on paying the social and financial costs for this amount of disruption.

"People have to think the unthinkable to address this issue. And stopping Old Firm games altogether - or cutting the number of games - has to be on that list."

Every police cell in Glasgow was filled after last Sunday's Old Firm game.

Across Strathclyde, 230 arrests were made for violence, anti-social behaviour and disorder, compared to a Sunday average of 182.

Officers also responded to 157 domestic abuse incidents - an 80 per cent rise on the average Sunday - and arrested 51 people.

Other police forces were also under strain.

Central Scotland Police, which covers Stirling, Falkirk and Alloa, were bombarded with an average of 18 calls per hour.

Officers logged 222 calls between noon and midnight on match day, compared to 170 in the same period on the previous Sunday.

The number of assaults rose from eight to 22 and domestic incidents went from one to 11.

Ambulance chiefs said they dealt with 18 per cent more 999 calls across the country than on a normal Sunday with crews responding to 444 emergency calls, compared to 377 the week before.

The Scottish Ambulance Service said: "The busy periods are long after the game has finished. People have been drinking all day."

Five men were fined and given football banning orders for religiously aggravated breach of the peace at the Celtic Park clash.

Three were in their teens, one was 21 and the fifth was 30. One of the teenagers convicted, Celtic fan Mark McMurray, 19, of Airdrie, got a two-year banning order and £300 fine for shouting and swearing inside the stadium.

McMurray claimed yesterday that the police had been "very heavy-handed".

He said he had only been singing a song called "Cheer Up Walter Smith".

Strathclyde's assistant chief constable, Campbell Corrigan, was dismayed by the young ages of McMurray and the other offenders.

He said: "They have obviously soaked up the abhorrent tradition that thinks it's OK to behave that way."

Corrigan added: "People from across the world will have been watching the game on Sunday, and we have to send the message that any kind of violence is unacceptable.

"I am sad and embarrassed that some people may see any type of sectarian behaviour and think it is representative of Scotland."

There are fears of more violence with the Glasgow giants set to play each other seven times by the end of the season.

Two more Old Firm games will take place next month, including a Scottish Cup replay on Wednesday, with a third to be arranged for late April or early May.

Corrigan admitted: "It is a nightmare to have seven in a season. It has major implications for our resources."

A senior police insider said: "The costs of dealing with these games - from helping victims to prosecuting people - could rise above £40 million this year.

"That's huge in a recession. And the number of arrests could be into four figures.

"About 10 years ago, they moved to earlier kick-offs to reduce the amount of drink-related violence, and there was an effect. But sadly, we are now back at the levels which forced that change in the first place."

Give them what they want and it STILL isn't enough...

No Old Firm games won't mean a cut in domestic abuse

Published on 13 July 2012

Rachel Loxton

DOMESTIC abuse crimes will not drop despite the fact there will be no Old Firm league clashes next season, a women's campaigner has warned.

Clashes between Rangers and Celtic have long been a flashpoint for domestic abuse, but psychologist Dr Mairead Tagg says Women's Aid centres will still be "stowed out" regardless.

The number of domestic abuse incidents recorded by Strathclyde Police rockets on Old Firm days. On September 18 last year there were 138 cases reported, against an average of 94.

And 174 crimes were reported on Feburary 20 last year.

But Dr Tagg, who has worked at Glasgow East Women's Aid for almost 20 years, said: "I know the police say there is a big spike, and I am sure there is from their arrest figures, but these are people who use domestic abuse.

"The fact they used it after a football match is a trigger. These are people who are likely to be abusing at other times where perhaps the connections are not quite so clear."

Dr Tagg said the Old Firm was a "distraction". She added: "For me and the women I work for, until we educate what a healthy, appropriate relationship is we are going to continue to be stowed out.

"We are really busy whether there is an Old Firm game or not. We do not have these spikes after an Old Firm game."

Police now have measures in place to tackle violence behind closed doors during and after Old Firm clashes by visiting known perpetrators before the games start to warn them not to commit crime and by offering support to victims.

It is unlikely Rangers and Celtic will meet next season unless they are drawn together for a cup tie.

Chief Superintendent Bob Hamilton, of Strathclyde Police's Anti-Violence Directorate, stressed that domestic abuse remains a very high priority for the force.

However, he said: "Tackling domestic abuse is an continuing challenge and, through analysis, we know there are certain times, periods or events, throughout the calendar year, which can trigger an increased number of incidents, i.e, Ne'erday, Boxing Day, Valentine's Day and dates connected to Rangers v Celtic.

"Around these and other identified periods we ensure sufficient routine and specialist resources target perpetrators through intervention and enforcement measures, as well as providing support to victims, along with our partners.

"These tactics have proven successful and will continue to be employed in an effort to reduce domestic abuse."

"Domestic abuse is one of our very high priorities and we will continue to be relentless in our pursuit of its perpetrators using every means at our disposal."

Edited July 23, 2012 by jester

[akredz]

Tell me then, what happens to this 'asset' if, for example, I buy it, proceed to snuff it, and leave everything in my will to my cat?

Will it then be my cat who could claim to have cheated its way to some SPL titles?

Absolutely ridiculous idea, which I am surprised anyone gives credence to.

Probably not, seeing as your cat doesn't have a legal definition as a person or entity. However, if you set up a Trust, with your cat as the named beneficiary, then the Trustees would be entitled to display the goodwill of the company that you bought before your untimely demise.

It may not suit your point of view, nor mine, but if it comes down to perception - if the average uninformed man on the street sees a team in light blue, playing at Ibrox Sevco Stadium and rampaging hordes waving Red Hand of Ulster flags and singing Rule Britannia on a Saturday afternoon, then he will assume that the team playing, which we know as TTFKAR, is actually Rangers. Green's 1 quid for the goodwill will have been well spent .

[sjc]

Someday when all this is over and my as yet to be conceived first child has been born, grown up, educated, working and conceived their own child........maybe we could get back to watching football ?!