Bendarroch Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 The rangers fans going on about avoiding tax being legal really are morons as if that means its ok http://www.express.c...e-in-your-mouth Dermatological Des is famous for his tax paying ways. Of course. PS: How's the disgraced lawyer getting on in his battle vs the Rangers legal team? I'm referring, of course, to content that disappeared as if by magic. It didn't even take an injunction for the bungler to fold. And, to his current standing as a disgraced bungler, we now know he's a publisher of lies. Plastic and diddies love him. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearwithme Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Yes it has, what the f**k do you think it's appealling against? A tax bill. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bendarroch Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 It's legal until HMRC say it's not. HMRC never lose a case and never, ever get anything wrong. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bendarroch Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Care to list the punishments? For you? Naw. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 For you? Naw. C'mon, you must be able to think of at least one. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 A tax bill. Tax bills don't include fines. Try again. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearwithme Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Tax bills don't include fines. Try again. You're right about that bit. There are no "fines" involved. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Then this would be classed as tax evasion. Well fucking done, Einstein. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AES Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Tax avoidance may be legal but a lot of people would consider it immoral. See recent stories about various multinational companies paying tuppence hapenny on UK profits of millions and being taken to task over it. Morality does not equate to legality. UK tax legislation is sufficiently complex (UK tax legislation extends to c. 14,000 pages of close type) that there are bound to be loopholes which are exploitable by people with enough legal brainpower to develop clever schemes - think of directors' bonuses paid in fine wines, fine art etc to avoid NIC. HMRC will close the loopholes but, with so many pages, it's not surprising that sections of the legislation conflict with one another. The issue with Rangers' use of EBTs was not the morailty of it, or the legality of the EBTs, but rather whether the EBTs had been operated in such a way as to allow non-payment of tax. And any club - or company - which says that it would never try to minimise its tax bill is run by idiots. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 You're right about that bit. There are no "fines" involved. Oh jeez. The tax liability is £49m, the rest is interest and penalties. Semantics don't win arguments, son. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearwithme Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Oh jeez. The tax liability is £49m, the rest is interest and penalties. Semantics don't win arguments, son. Dropped the "fines" bit then. Penalties can be appealed against. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 I appealed a tax demand last year and the year before that, on both occasions they were wrong, i was right, neither of the 2 demands told me I was guilty of anything Well done, yet another post that has no bearing on the matter at hand. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Dropped the "fines" bit then. Penalties can be appealed against. That's what Rangers did, yes. What's your point? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearwithme Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 That's what Rangers did, yes. What's your point? You agree with me then. Fine. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 You agree with me then. Fine. I agree that Rangers have been found guilty of tax evasion and have appealed, yes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Of course it does, both OP`s said that Tax avoidance was immoral and moronic, if they believe this and they are paying into a pension then that makes them both guilty of being immoral and moronic Are you being paid through an offshore Employee Benefit Trust and been investigated by HMRC? No? Shut the f**k up then. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearwithme Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 I agree that Rangers have been found guilty of tax evasion and have appealed, yes. Like I said, the appeal is against a tax bill. Tax bills can include penalties. No "guilty" verdict has been handed down - and there won't be one handed down. The appeal against the bill will either be upheld or not (or upheld in part). The liabilities (or part of the liabilities) will either be due or not. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Like I said, the appeal is against a tax bill. Tax bills can include penalties. No "guilty" verdict has been handed down - and there won't be one handed down. The appeal against the bill will either be upheld or not (or upheld in part). The liabilities (or part of the liabilities) will either be due or not. Except you don't get penalties if you've done nothing wrong so whether or not it says "guilty" is neither here nor there, you have been found guilty. Like I said, semantics don't win arguments. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearwithme Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Except you don't get penalties if you've done nothing wrong so whether or not it says "guilty" is neither here nor there, you have been found guilty. Like I said, semantics don't win arguments. Tax penalties are ten a penny and people often get penalties when they've done nothing wrong. That's why they have appeals. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edi1011 Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Do either of you pay into a pension scheme either personal or through your employer?, if so you are tax avoiders Not quite true there Tedi - Government pensions legislation allows/encourages people to save monies for their retirement which are strictly regulated by certain criteria based on earnings [ pre 1/7/1988 (prior to 6/4/2006) pensions were also subject to further restrictions based on your current Age each tax year which involved a sliding scale of NRE'S which set maximum contributions that you could pay in]. There is no tax avoidance involved as both company and private pensions are covered by suitable legislation. Tax Avoidance/Evasion - such as the many schemes used by businesses such as Barclays have/are been rigorously challenged by HMRC. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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