Big Rangers Administration/Liquidation Thread - All chat here!

[flyingrodent]

I love the cello. My 12 year old is learning to play cello. Most of his peers got violin lessons but I refused because weans learning the fiddle are so screechy as to give me a migraine.The cello, though, is much lower and calmer.

The downside is that a practise violin can be picked up for about £100 whereas a decent cello costs the thick end of £800.

My wee yin, though, has played the flute since she was 4. Seeing as this is currently a flute thread, enjoy some Debussy, with harp:

If you like cello, then this is Purple Haze for the cello...

Edited June 2, 2013 by flyingrodent

[flyingrodent]

Although if it's relaxation music you're looking for, this is the finest piece of music ever written by a human being.

[RickMcD]

Although if it's relaxation music you're looking for, this is the finest piece of music ever written by a human being.

Great piece. Do you know that Mozart was steeped in Freemasonry? Saw a James Galway concert in Belfast years ago. All he played was classical stuff I'd never heard of and to be honest I was bored. We were waiting on Annie's Song. Right at the end he played a duet of Danny Boy along with a classical pianist. It was fantastic.

My favourite piece of music of any kind is Va Pensiero from Nabucco by Verdi, more commonly known as The Chorus of the Hebrew Slaves.

[Highlandmagyar]

Great piece. Do you know that Mozart was steeped in Freemasonry? Saw a James Galway concert in Belfast years ago. All he played was classical stuff I'd never heard of and to be honest I was bored. We were waiting on Annie's Song. Right at the end he played a duet of Danny Boy along with a classical pianist. It was fantastic.

My favourite piece of music of any kind is Va Pensiero from Nabucco by Verdi, more commonly known as The Chorus of the Hebrew Slaves.

Utterly fantastic piece.

[Bearwithme]

I obviously haven't sobered up from last night yet as it seems I've stumbled onto the Radio 3 fansite.

[bennett]

Love this old urban myth

Amazing how Rangers fans forget Smith didn't want the game to go ahead and the likes of Barry Ferguson and McCulloch knew Phil personally.

They use his death as a petty point scoring exercise, celebrate child abuse and yet when someone did the mock of the John Greig statue "walking away" this is somehow deemed as mocking the dead

And as for the comment about "how low they could sink to gain an advantage"

Remind us, have you paid back they creditors yet? Or is this a other whitewash.

Wasn't your fault in Barcelona, wasn't your fault in Manchester and was t your fault for the embarrassing events of last year.

Always someone else to blame eh?

Utter pish, Celtic completely about turned after Tommy Burns death, it was a sham and you know it.

And that seasons tour of Japan, did it ever take place? For a team which makes such a fuss about lies, they do sure tell a lot of them.

[yorkshirepud]

I obviously haven't sobered up from last night yet as it seems I've stumbled onto the Radio 3 fansite.

I'm with Rick and HighlandMagyar on this one. You could do worse than pour yourself a hair of the dog and settle down for a listen. Old Joe Green knew how to write a decent tune.

[Highlandmagyar]

I'm with Rick and HighlandMagyar on this one. You could do worse than pour yourself a hair of the dog and settle down for a listen. Old Joe Green knew how to write a decent tune.

. Absolutely delicious music.

[captain kirk]

If it had been Rangers i would have been utterly ashamed and embarrassed...as i was by Craig Whytes actions as our chairman. I have never hidden from it nor will i. I might wind up the odd bigot but our sectarian past is shameful...i cant change it but it is something i am certainly not proud off.

celtic supporters have never been able to accept criticism of their club. Offended by everything ashamed of nothing.

....says the guy who posted a list a fake catholic rangers players names to try and hide his club bigoted past.

[captain kirk]

Love this old urban myth

Amazing how Rangers fans forget Smith didn't want the game to go ahead and the likes of Barry Ferguson and McCulloch knew Phil personally.

They use his death as a petty point scoring exercise, celebrate child abuse and yet when someone did the mock of the John Greig statue "walking away" this is somehow deemed as mocking the dead

And as for the comment about "how low they could sink to gain an advantage"

Remind us, have you paid back they creditors yet? Or is this a other whitewash.

Wasn't your fault in Barcelona, wasn't your fault in Manchester and was t your fault for the embarrassing events of last year.

Always someone else to blame eh?

Smith added his condolences. On behalf of everyone at Rangers, our thoughts are with Phils family, the manager said. His death puts football firmly into perspective. It is something that I have no experience of. We heard the news on the team bus on Saturday on our way back from Edinburgh. Everyone was stunned. Barry Ferguson knows Phils family, because they both come from Hamilton, and he is feeling most affected. We can only think about the players family and the people close to him. It is a tragic thing. It really is.

Ps Most SPL managers wanted all games canceled that weekend , some rangers fans really are scum they way the use his death for point scoring.

Edited June 2, 2013 by captain kirk

[captain kirk]

An old post on a couple of Celtic sites that pish all over the poor victim Nae Body helps us Rangers crap

......What I've tried to do here is have a look at the most common soundbytes often dished out as incontrovertible evidence.

Lie: Rangers have had no help from the SPL

The season has been extended by the best part of a week to accommodate Rangers' fixture congestion. As far as I can work out, this is unprecedented in the modern era... indeed, Celtic played three games in four days at the ****-end of their 1974 one-sub-each-no-such-thing-as-squad-rotation title challenge.

But that's not the only help that they have had from the SPL this season :

Armed with a piece of paper saying, “Lyon huv hud heir game postponed,” Rangers petitioned the SPL, aiming to have their match with the mighty Gretna put back until a later date. As we know, it succeeded.

QUOTE (BBC)

3rd Dec: “And, with Gretna giving backing to the request, the decision to postpone was taken by SPL chairman Lex Gold and secretary Iain Blair.

The SPL pointed out that the French authorities had allowed Lyon a similar weekend off, cancelling their tie at Caen.”

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...rs/7122365.stm

However, it came to light that Lyon hadn't had their game postponed at all. In fact, they applied for the cancellation AFTER hearing the *****had bought themselves a free week.

QUOTE (BBC)

6th Dec: Lyon have failed to have Saturday's league game against Caen postponed to give them time to prepare for the Champions League clash with Rangers.

"We requested the postponement in order to be at the same level as our rivals who succeeded in postponing their Scottish league game against Gretna," he said.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...rs/7131441.stm

Further questions should have been asked about the subsequent scheduling of both this Gretna match, and the St. Mirren match postponed prior to Scotland's Euro Qualifier against Italy. Why weren't these matches played at the first available opportunity? Rangers had free midweeks pre-Christmas - Celtic managed to play their home match against Falkirk in between their Champions League and SPL fixtures. Indeed, Celtic were able to play FOUR matches in ten days at the start of December, dropping four points in the process (Hearts and St Mirren).

Myth: It's all someone else's fault

Nonsense.

Gretna, and dodgy fixture re-scheduling aside, Rangers have had ample opportunity to fix out their own congestion.

The failure of Scotland's Heroes (© Daily Record) to beat Hibs and lower-league Partick Thistle at the first time of asking have padded out their fixture fulfilment requirements.

The match against East Stirling was postponed due to a waterlogged pitch. On the face of it, that seems perfectly reasonable in the Scottish winter. However, when the next unchallenged soundbytes emit from President Murray about lowering the Ibrox pitch again to cram more seats in, shouldn't someone - anyone - point out that they are ****ing distance from a major river?

Obviously the free weekend after the tragic death of Phil O'Donnell was thrust upon them. But it is worth noting that Dundee United, the team they tried not to play this Saturday, were forced to complete their next fixture at the time, despite watching a friend and opponent die in front of them a few days previous. Placed beside that, Rangers' recent request and subsequent petulant outburst looks embarrassingly trivial.

Lie: “This will make the SPL a laughing stock”

Seriously, the world doesn't care about the SPL's fixture list. Truly.

Take Middlesborough in 2006, they managed to get to the UEFA Cup final. Here was their fixture list.

CODE

March

Thu 30 20:45 A FC Basel UEFA

April

Sun 2 15:00 A Manchester City PREM

Thu 6 20:00 H FC Basel UEFA

Sun 9 15:00 H Newcastle PREM

We 12 20:05 H Charlton FACP

Sat 15 15:00 A Portsmouth PREM

Mon 17 15:00 H West Ham Utd PREM

Thu 20 20:45 A S Bucuresti UEFA

Sun 23 16:00 H West Ham Utd FACP

Thu 27 20:02 H S Bucuresti UEFA

Sat 29 15:00 H Everton PREM

May

Mon 1 20:00 A Man Utd PREM

Wed 3 20:00 A Bolton PREM

Sun 7 15:00 A Fulham PREM

Wed 10 19:45 H Sevilla Futbol UEFA

Let's have a look at some highlights and see how many of Rangers, “Laughing Stock” boxes it ticks...

* Middle of April, four games in eight days.

* A run of three away games in a row at the end of the season.

* Not only managed a game on the Saturday preceding a midweek AWAY tie in Romania, but squeezed in a cheeky match at home to West Ham on the Monday before they flew out.

* Away to Fulham on the SUNDAY before the UEFA Cup final. Not the Saturday that Rangers are being asked to play on, but the FRICKING SUNDAY.

Now, according to Lord Murray's self-declared rules, that should mean we all consider the English Premiership the joke of world football. Don't we? Anyone?

Secondly, and non-Middlesbrough related this year, the FA Cup is scheduled four days before the Champions League final. Is Darth Murray seriously trying to tell us that this would have been moved should Chelsea or Man United have been gracing the Wembley Turf?

Myth: The SPL should follow the Russian FA's lead

Yes, the Russian FA have postponed Zenit's matches before the UEFA Cup final, and fair play to them. But this being cited as a precedent is completely insane.

St. Petersburg, literally Baltic, play in a summer league, meaning that they are only a few games into their season... they have the luxury of playing with a whole year's fixture list. If only Walter could turn back time and ask for some games to be frivolously postponed to help Rangers.

Ironically, the two postponements this year, “for the greater good,” were Rangers at home to Lyon, and Scotland at home to Italy. Both were humped.

Secondly, and covered above, have Zenit actually had their fixtures moved, or are Rangers trying to pull the same Lyon trick again?

Lie: “We're doing it for Scotland”

Just like Rangers had Scotland's best interests in mind when they tapped-up and poached Scotland's manager, in the middle of one of their most spectacular attempts at qualifying for a finals tournament in many years?

And where were the media when Kenny McDowell admitted that Smith had offered him a job at Ibrox BEFORE Beloved Walter had even handed in his notice at the SFA?

Were Rangers, “doing it for Scotland,” when they withdrew five players from the squad to face Croatia. Weir managed to evade even being called up, but four were out injured, including Christian Dailly with a BROKEN FOOT; luckily, a trip to Lourdes healed everyone enough to play in the league match the following weekend.

Lie: “It's to help win the UEFA Cup”

If Rangers want the UEFA Cup so badly that they want to inconvenience the other eleven teams, then why can't they now play a play a back-up team against Dundee United so that only they are inconvenienced? Or, failing that, move the Dundee United game to after the UEFA final, and play their last four games in a week, finishing on the Thursday?

Remember, Bolton deliberately got themselves knocked out of Europe to concentrate on league matters. Rangers made sure that they deflected extension talk as long as possible until there was no other alternative but to extend the league. I speculate that their current tantrum is a much to do with them shampooting it over the league slipping away a it is to do with the party line. And where are the journos putting these questions to Rangers?

QUOTE

“We never have, and we never will ask for an extension,” Walter Smith

“We want an extension,” Martin Bain

“It's a fking joke we never had an extension,” Emperor Murray

Lie: “Celtic got help in the Seville Season”

Again, Rangers and the press are trying to cite Celtic's similar up run as another precedent.

In 2003, the season was NOT extended. In fact, Celtic were forced to play all pre-split games before the split, a decision that made Ian MacLeod consider taking the league to the Court of Session. Compare and contrast with Rangers, who get to play St Mirren (one of their pre-split games) after the split.

In that season, only one game was brought forward, Celtic v Dundee – and that was thanks to Jim Duffy at Dundee, not SPL politics and shenanigans. Only one team was inconvenienced by that shift, not eleven.

And while we're on postponements, this is how other teams get on at the SPL.

Aberdeen were not allowed to move their pre-Copenhagen match in 2007. This was despite Rangers having done so a few weeks earlier.

In October last year, Kilmarnock had to play a match in October with only 5 subs (3 of whom were too injured to play).

Mentioned earlier, Dundee United were told to get on with it a few days after Phil O'Donnell died yards away from some of their players.

And, my favourite, from September 2000:

QUOTE (bbc)

Rangers have denied the club have been deliberately obstructive by refusing to postpone their Premier League match against Hearts on Sunday.

The Tynecastle club return back to Scotland late on Friday afternoon after their Uefa Cup first round game against Stuttgart.

Hearts had asked the Ibrox club to put back the game, but Rangers turned down their request after consultation with manager **** Advocaat.

But in a similar situation last October the Edinburgh outfit agreed to switch a fixture between the two clubs to help Rangers' Champions League campaign.

Anyway, I'm a Celtic fan, so this is obviously biased and one-sided. I'll leave this poorly-penned nonsense with a few words from someone more qualified than I:

[Jacksgranda]

Utter pish, Celtic completely about turned after Tommy Burns death, it was a sham and you know it.

And that seasons tour of Japan, did it ever take place? For a team which makes such a fuss about lies, they do sure tell a lot of them.

And back to business...

[youngsy]

ASA have responded to the complaint.

RESPONSE FROM THE ASA

The Rangers Football Club Ltd (Newco) explained that The Rangers Football Club Plc (Oldco), which previously owned and operated Rangers Football Club (RFC), went into administration on 14 February 2012 and that, in order to preserve RFC after a CVA failed, itsbusinesss and assets were purchased by another corporate entity, which was now known as The Rangers Football Club Ltd and that, therefore, the same Club was now owned and operated by themselves.

They provided an extract from a Decision concerning RFC, by an Independent Commission appointed by the SPL, in which it was stated that, ”in common speech a Club is treated as a recognisable entity which is capable of being owned and operated and which continues in existence despite its transfer to another owner and operator.” They said the Commission had clearly stated that the same Club continued, regardless of the legal entity that owned and operated it and, therefore, that RFC had continued in existence since 1872.

They also provided a letter from the European Club Association, concerning the RFC’s continuing membership after liquidation, in which it stated that, although run by a different legal entity, it considered RFC was still the same football club, having the same registration number with the Football Association, the same fans, the same stadium, the same club coefficient ranking and the same trophies, and it therefore recognised RFC as a founding member of the ECA, despite the change of ownership.

Newco advised us that RFC was a full member of the SFA and that when Oldco, the legal entity who previously held the membership, went into administration, an agreement was put in place to transfer exactly the same membership from Oldco to Newco, which had resulted in membership of the SFA being maintained. They further pointed out that the websites of the SPL, the SFA and UEFA all confirmed that RFC had been in existence for 140 years by detailing all honours that the club had won since its formation in 1872.

The RACC said they felt that, given RFC’s history, the claim ”Scotland’s most successful club ” was valid and would not mislead.

ASSESSMENT

Not upheld.

Whilst the ASA acknowledged that Newco had not taken on all the debts and liabilities of Oldco, when it purchased its assbusinessbuisness and that that would normally preclude it from trading on the reputation of the former company, we noted that from and Independent Commission appointed by the SPL and the ECA had reached the conclusion that the football club RFC was a recognisable entity in its own right, and that it had continued in existence despite being transferred to another owner and operator.

We further considered that consumers would understand that the claim in question related to the football club rather than to its owner and operator.

We therefore concluded that it was not misleading for this ad to make reference to RFC’s history, separates seperate to that of Newco

Too much of a Masonic influence at ASA,perhaps.

[Jacksgranda]

....says the guy who posted a list a fake catholic rangers players names to try and hide his club bigoted past.

Did he really?

(What do you mean by fake catholic names - Paddy O'Tattie, that sort of thing? A bit obvious, IMHO)

[CityDave]

Nice to see in this country we still have trouble moving on.

Irony or destiny has a funny way of creating situations, I'm dead cert there will be the first real competitive Celtic v Rangers match of this new Rangers era next season in one of the cups. Something to look forward to and plenty of internet used up on this forum when it happens, lets hope everyone behaves themselves and not let previous issues cloud what could be a great game of football.

[Bearwithme]

Did he really?

(What do you mean by fake catholic names - Paddy O'Tattie, that sort of thing? A bit obvious, IMHO)

I've not actually checked what was posted on here but I'm guessing it was the list of Catholic Rangers players before Mo Johnston to which Celtic fans added irrelevant names in an attempt to discredit the list.

[flyingrodent]

Nice to see in this country we still have trouble moving on.

Irony or destiny has a funny way of creating situations, I'm dead cert there will be the first real competitive Celtic v Rangers match of this new Rangers era next season in one of the cups. Something to look forward to and plenty of internet used up on this forum when it happens, lets hope everyone behaves themselves and not let previous issues cloud what could be a great game of football.

Whatever words we use to describe the first game between Celtic and New Rangers, I'm pretty confident that "competitive" won't be one of them.

[Henrik's tongue]

Whatever words we use to describe the first game between Celtic and New Rangers, I'm pretty confident that "competitive" won't be one of them.

This.

Wee Neil will push for double figures against the scum He hate them you know. He's TLB

[wunfellaff]

Ahum.....

Incase it was lost in all the classical/hippyish vids on the last page, the latest charlottefakes is quite entertaining.

Calling Platini a lush, and suggesting buying him a few drinks isn't the best way for a new club to gain brownie points imo.......

[Monkey Tennis]

Fair enough, you're perfectly entitled to.

Me, I think that if you allow that the men who run Celtic may well be opportunistic, and grasping, and selfish, but are also basically half-decent human beings, then there's no compelling reason to presume that they took a glorious opportunity to exploit a man's tragic death in order to move a difficult game. I think doing so is pretty petty and mean-spirited.

Once more, that's fair enough.

We'll have to accept that we differ on our views of this decision.

"Opportunistic, grasping and selfish" are the characteristics you've identified. They're the ones that have enabled me to arrive at my interpretation of what happened.