Happy Buddie Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 This again? It's straightforward, surely - in the sense that they play in blue at Ibrox in front of the same fans, Rangers are still "the same club". In the sense that the old club overspent far beyond its means and died as a result, and some roaster bought the stadium, its contents and some of the players, they're an entirely new enterprise. For footballing shorthand, NewCo Rangers are "Rangers". In any other sense, they're a new team, just as new Airdrieonians are not old Airdrieonians. This issue isn't in dispute, by the way - it's merely denied by the fans of one team, which isn't the same thing. If a tenth of the population decided tomorrow that the world is flat, there wouldn't be a dispute over the flatness of the world - the world would remain as round as it's ever been. It's just that there'd be a mob of nutters claiming otherwise, which would be a total irrelevance to the world's actual shape. Somebody earlier brought up the term "phoenix company", which, if it was a double-glazing company or a building company, of which we've heard thousands of dodgy examples, would mean that the directors would be subject to prosecution. So, in the end, mixing my wildlife metaphors, the leopard hasn't changed its spots, still bending, if not breaking, the law to pursue the goal of world domination. They are not the old rangers, they are pnoenix Rangers, having walked away from all the commercial debts of the old Rangers, the phoenix Rangers only responsible for footballing debts in order to get a new licence to play under the authority ( ????) of the SFA. For further educational hints, see definition of a phoenix. It destroys itself (TOTALLY) in order to be re-born!!! from the ashes of its FORMER self, not the same self. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Buddie Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 From BBC News "Wallace embarked upon a 120-day review of the business following December's annual meeting of shareholders. The deadline was Thursday 17 April, but an update will not be released to supporters until 25 April." Another deadline, remember back in the summer of 2012 how we used to love deadlines? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Buddie Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 For further educational hints look up the word 'transferred' there was nothing new about the the transferred SFA membership. Does that mean that if I divorce my wife then transfer my marriage licence to make my girlfriend Mrs Buddie 2, I can continue to count more anniveraries as Mrs Buddie 1's husband? No, that would be a new licence, even though it's a transfer of Buddie Clan membership from MB1 to MB2. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Buddie Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 so if someone buys a football club from administrators its illegal?. No, running a phoenix company is. btw it's 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamenitza Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 For further educational hints look up the word 'transferred' there was nothing new about the the transferred SFA membership. For further educational hints look up the word 'transferred' there was nothing new about the the transferred SFA membership. Perhaps there was nothing new about the membership which the 'same club' transferred to itself. However the membership issued a week before this transfer was a new category of membership. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timmy Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 For further educational hints look up the word 'transferred' there was nothing new about the the transferred SFA membership. If you transferred your membership then you would have been eligible to play in Europe. The fact Motherwell took your place tells me that it is new. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamenitza Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 The SFA statement makes it clear that the transfer happened between companies and newco were the new owner and operator of the club. I will admit that I have never heard of a membership having conditions attached to it, however it was the still the same membership. At what point did Newco become a club? Was it when they received this membership? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamenitza Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 The newco still runs and operates the club. Look I am not forcing you to accept the SFA statement, you can pretend it never happened if you wish. I'm not pretending it didn't happen, just curious to know how the same membership could be both issued and transferred. To take into account your belief that club and company are separate, I'll rephrase the question. At what point did Newco become the operators of a club? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BossHogg Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 Look its simple..The Club had to apply to have its own membership to be transferred to itself whilst having a conditional one at the same time also ask for permission for the clubs players to play for the club . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BossHogg Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 Same club.."Airdrie United then took over Clydebank, assuming their SFA membership and changing the club’s name in order to enter the league system" 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamenitza Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 I do not really care when, all that matters is that they did. I notice you are happy to accept the use of the indefinite article. They became the operators of a club and not the club. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williemillersmoustache Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 The return of moonbeams? Hmmm desperation is a stinky cologne.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 (edited) Apologies if this has been mentioned but rumour doing the rounds Murray is back on the scene. Not Paul - David. Balls. Beaten to the punch Edited April 18, 2014 by Stu 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forever_blue Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 You're the laughing stock of this forum Tedi ... I can imagine your petted lip as you stamped your feet while you typed that. Edit .. Wee clue Tedi .. everyone reading this exchange knows the date is important to your wee fairytale ... Yet you don't know when Charlie's company bought the assets and your new club was birthed ... Almost bad as you not knowing what the old club's five stars were for ... A fan you say? no hes not, if you actually looked at the top 5 worst posters in the off topic forum, quite a few people have mentioned you , wrk and hbqc. the reason being that yours are the most boring , repetitive posters on the forum. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 Where exactly did this rumour come from?, so far I have only heard the caller on snyde followed by a discussion of this call. Sounds like total nonsense to me, well at least I hope it it. No idea - I saw Spiers tweet it earlier and notice there is a huge thread on the swamp about it. First I knew about it but would be hilarious. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forever_blue Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 (edited) I love how foreverblew and Tedious are now playing the man in a tag team effort and ignoring the message/facts presented. Sad but highly predictable. there is a _ you know . plus you obviosly seem to have forgotten you and apache don desperate tag team attempt to start an argument last night Edited April 18, 2014 by forever_blue -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteRoseKillie Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 For further educational hints look up the word 'transferred' there was nothing new about the the transferred SFA membership. It's a word which you still appear to struggle with the definition of, Leader. Perhaps you should take your own advice. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteRoseKillie Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 you missed out the full stop. oh dear, now you are going to have to show evidence why you think there is a phoenix company involved? Same business - check. Same premises - check. Directors* of old company - check. Same trademarks - check Name designed to suggest continuity - check. There's a couple of other criteria, which I can't currently be arsed chasing up, but the ibrox organisation is pretty much the definition of a phoenix company. *Includes "shadow" directors. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fotbawmad Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 Lest we forget ,,, I couldnae hear Sevco singing Mind you I couldnae hear them singing when I was at ER either. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 Densboy has spent the last couple of pages ranting about absolutely nothing..... Saying that he's been posting for over 24 hours now without a break lol -7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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