Big Rangers Administration/Liquidation Thread - All chat here!

[Monkey Tennis]

Surely not, ffs?

Yip.

DhenBhoy quoted from Sky Sports news on this thread at 18.42 yesterday.

McCoist's welcoming of the situation was described as "cautious".

[bennett]

Run out of lube?

Well Monkey will just need to get some more then.

[AberdeenBud]

Collaborator extraordinaire.

[bennett]

Oh apparently Mikes a great guy.

NEWCASTLE owner Mike Ashley has told Rangers fans that he is the man to save the crisis torn Ibrox club.

Ashley who still insists he is staying put at St. James' Park – at least until the end of next season – is loaning the fallen Scottish giants £3 million to ease a critical cash flow shortage.

He already owns 8.29 per cent of Rangers shares and has bought the naming rights to the stadium.

Under a Scottish FA agreement he is not allowed to go beyond a 10 per cent holding unless he sells Newcastle.

But he is still anxious to secure Rangers' future with a source close to Sports Direct supremo revealing: "Mike genuinely believes that he is the only man who has the financial clout, business expertise and knowledge of running a top football club like Newcastle United who can save Rangers.

"He is not happy that all the in-fighting is destroying the club and consequently he is prepared to give Rangers his immediate financial help and also give them the benefit of his world wide business acumen.

"Yes he will want his own people in the Ibrox boardroom but that is only to be expected.

"And let's not forget what Mike Ashley has done for Newcastle United. Yes there has been some criticism from the Newcastle fans but when he took over the club was spiralling out of control.

"Now he has won admiration from owners of other clubs throughout the world for the way he has pulled Newcastle round and put them on a sound financial footing. Newcastle United do not own a penny to anyone.

"And when Newcastle were relegated and some people expected him to walk away he stayed and got them get back into the Premier League.

"Now he not only wants Rangers to go head to head with Celtic again but also get back into their rightful place in the Champions League."

[thenolly]

Crowds of between 45k and 50k could be easily obtained at Ibrox, not to mention the huge retail potential if ran right, advertising and sponsorships etc plus a board and maanger taking less obscene wages/bonuses....

Yes Rangers could have a good competitive team on the park and pay for it quite easily.

Thats what the American chap offered, run it sensibly and build slowly, only spending some of the profit on improving the team......... but you's hounded him out.

Now Ashley will offer the same, but that profit margin is minute compared to then as your savior who offered orange tops sold the lot to him for peanuts

[bennett]

Thats what the American chap offered, run it sensibly and build slowly, only spending some of the profit on improving the team......... but you's hounded him out.

Now Ashley will offer the same, but that profit margin is minute compared to then as your savior who offered orange tops sold the lot to him for peanuts

The American chap who was linked with Andrew Ellis and was never going to be sold the club anyway, that American chap?

[bennett]

Dougal lad put the bottle down and go to bed.

[Florentine_Pogen]

Did Regan not very publicly declare that voting to exile Rangers from the top flight for more than one season would lead to a "slow lingering death" and a "withering on the vine" of the Scottish game? I'm pretty sure he did. If I've got facts wrong, please point out precisely where, because I'd obviously wish to make corrections.

I posted this last week. Once again, for the avoidance of doubt :-

Here's the full article, think only the preview has been posted in this thread. As mentioned it has since been taken off the Scotsman website and it'll be interesting to see if it appears in print tomorrow. Regan simply has to go.

By STEPHEN HALLIDAY

Published on Wednesday 4 July 2012 21:26

SCOTTISH Football Association chief executive Stewart Regan has issued a startling warning of "social unrest" in Scotland if newco Rangers are denied entry to the First Division of the Scottish Football League following the emphatic rejection today of their application to retain top-flight football at Ibrox.

Regan's remarkable comment came as he insisted admission to the First Division is now the only viable option if Scottish football wishes to avoid what he described as a "slow, lingering death".

The Scottish Premier League turned down Charles Green's bid to have Rangers' existing share in the organisation transferred to his newco for next season, with ten of the member clubs voting against the application. It is understood Green cast the only vote in favour, while Kilmarnock chairman Michael Johnston is believed to have abstained.

The SPL will now await the outcome of an SFL meeting next week when that organisation's 30 clubs will vote on a proposal to accept newco Rangers into the First Division in the new season ahead of an amalgamation of the league governing bodies from 2013-14.

There is considerable opposition and resistance to the plan among SFL clubs and their supporters with many believing Rangers should have to apply for entry to the Third Division in the wake of their spectacular financial collapse.

But Regan bluntly asserted that Scottish football simply cannot afford to have Rangers outwith the top two tiers of the league structure, with his argument not confined to the commercial impact their absence would have.

"Without Rangers, there is social unrest and a big problem for Scottish society," claimed Regan. "They have a huge fan base and to contemplate the situation where those fans don't have a team to support, where those fans are effectively left without a game to follow, I just think that could lead to all sorts of issues, all sorts of problems for the game.

"Tribalism in football is really important. It is part of the game. People follow their clubs with pride, it is passed down from generation to generation. There are thousands of Rangers fans whose fathers and parents and grandfathers have been Rangers fans. You can't contemplate a situation without that and if Rangers weren't to exist that could have real dire consequences.

"There is a lot of emotion around this subject because Rangers are a huge institution in Scottish football history and they are where they are. Their fans have been hurt, they don't know what's happening. There hasn't been a great deal of leadership at the club and there hasn't been a huge amount of communication from the football authorities.

"The SPL have now decided that Rangers won't be coming back into the SPL. From our perspective it's important we set out the landscape because there is only one solution for the game now.

"The only solution for the game now is that Rangers come into the Scottish Football League and they come into it in the First Division. If Rangers were to go anywhere other than the First Division, then there would something in the region of £15.7 million worth of losses to the game.

"For the bigger clubs at the top of the league, that's half their annual distributions. For clubs at the bottom it is basically wiping out their entire distributions, for some of the smaller clubs it's a huge proportion of their annual turnover.

"The same will be true for most clubs. Perhaps clubs could survive for a short period of time but it's not sustainable. Even if Rangers end up in the First Division, there is still going to be a £5 million loss of income to the SPL clubs. The game is not sustainable so there would be a slow lingering death for the game in Scotland. It would then trickle down to the SFL. From our perspective as the governing body and we cannot allow that to happen.

"If we allowed that to happen, it would simply be a dereliction of duty. Therefore, this whole decision-making process has been one of the most challenging and complex decisions that I have ever been involved in in 27 years of business as sport.

"Some clubs in the SFL are afraid of the implications of the decisions. There is the moral argument, the fear of a fans' backlash and there are financial implications to consider. But when we look at the alternative, it is not possible to think about it without thinking of the game withering on the vine. We cannot contemplate that and the message has to be that Division One for Rangers is the only show in town as far as the future of Scottish football is concerned."

Regan admits the influence of television contracts, which are largely predicated on the presence of Celtic and Rangers in the Scottish game, are the biggest single factor in his determination to ensure the Ibrox club drop no lower than the First Division. "We have had dialogue with the broadcasters," he added, "and we understand what the various stakeholders from Sky television, ESPN, Sport Five and a number of the SPL's other commercial partners are likely to do in the event Rangers are not in either of the top two tiers. It's not pretty. That's why we cannot sit back and let that happen without trying to get all parties to accept this is the only solution which can keep the game afloat.

"Without Old Firm games, the value drops, the overseas deals are almost exclusively about the Old Firm derby and that would go immediately. Then you look at the rest of the game and what it is worth. It is fair to say the broadcasters would live with a year without Rangers in the SPL, because it could be a fantastic story for them, which is why I think First Division rights will be an interest as people will want to see how this club is going to bounce back."

Regan conceded, however, that there can be no guarantee a financially weakened Rangers will climb back to the top flight at the first attempt. "If Rangers don't get promoted, then the game has got another year to suffer with the financial consequences that brings," he said. "I can't predict what will happen, because Rangers at the moment are a weakened team because of everything that has gone on.

"They are a newco at the moment, they have got very few players on their books. They are going to be entering the SFL in whatever division with a weakened team and I don't think it's by any means certain they are going to come back in the way they or their fans might like them to recover.

"It's going to be a slow recovery to get back to the football fitness they have shown in the past. So we can't look into the future and say 'what if they don't operate in a certain way?'. We can only look at building the foundations, to change the game for the better and provide an infrastructure that can bring financial certainty to the other 41 clubs."

Regan confirmed that sanctions will apply to newco Rangers in the First Division and also made it clear the formation of an SPL2 will be pursued in order to accommodate the Ibrox club if they are rejected by the SFL next week. "The SFA have to transfer Rangers' membership from oldco to newco," he said. "That can be done with any conditions attached to it that the SFA board deem fit. We would expect a newco to carry some of the sanctions which would have related to the club had it still been in the previous incarnation. The membership cannot be transferred on financial grounds alone. It has to have a degree of sporting integrity and that means sporting sanctions."

[thenolly]

The American chap who was linked with Andrew Ellis and was never going to be sold the club anyway, that American chap?

Bill Miller was the guy that was frightened off by your fans with flags and banners at the games, but you's wanted a "Rangers man" or someone who would tour Ulster, offer £50 million in war chests and orange tops.........

you got Greene who sold you'r stadium name for a quid, your merchandise for peanuts, and opened the door to Ashley.......... and you's worshiped him when he came, cause he went to Ulster, wore an orange top and mentioned war chests.

Taken in by Murray, fooled by Whyte, lied to by Greene and now going to be printing cash for Ashley...... and you's will cause you's are the people and need new Rangers taps for going to benidorm or for the walk, you's can't help yourself you'll keep feeding them your cash

[bennett]

Bill Miller was the guy that was frightened off by your fans with flags and banners at the games, but you's wanted a "Rangers man" or someone who would tour Ulster, offer £50 million in war chests and orange tops.........

you got Greene who sold you'r stadium name for a quid, your merchandise for peanuts, and opened the door to Ashley.......... and you's worshiped him when he came, cause he went to Ulster, wore an orange top and mentioned war chests.

Taken in by Murray, fooled by Whyte, lied to by Greene and now going to be printing cash for Ashley...... and you's will cause you's are the people and need new Rangers taps for going to benidorm or for the walk, you's can't help yourself you'll keep feeding them your cash

F**ks that enigma machine when you need it....

[dave.j]

Bill Miller was the guy that was frightened off by your fans with flags and banners at the games, but you's wanted a "Rangers man" or someone who would tour Ulster, offer £50 million in war chests and orange tops.........

you got Greene who sold you'r stadium name for a quid, your merchandise for peanuts, and opened the door to Ashley.......... and you's worshiped him when he came, cause he went to Ulster, wore an orange top and mentioned war chests.

Taken in by Murray, fooled by Whyte, lied to by Greene and now going to be printing cash for Ashley...... and you's will cause you's are the people and need new Rangers taps for going to benidorm or for the walk, you's can't help yourself you'll keep feeding them your cash

They could boycott season ticket sales? But they need a glib and shameless liar, a convicted criminal to follow follow. But if they gave him their word and starved the club of cash, that might work?

[thenolly]

There was only ever one person that was getting the gig and that was Green, if you think anything else was possible then you are a mug.

And you's done what to stop him??

You bought the tickets, the shirts the lot...... you's all funded it, you all helped it.

but for Miller you's had the "Truck off" banners etc

[dave.j]

There was only ever one person that was getting the gig and that was Green, if you think anything else was possible then you are a mug.

So your fans who backed the others involved? Mugs too, Mr Hindsight?

[dave.j]

and hell mend us!!

Cannot say I had any 'Truck offer' banners, sorry mate.

You can remember that, but you can't remember the Red Card To Liquidation St Mirren game?

[thenolly]

Miller lacked conviction(s).

They were warned about Murray....... its a conspiracy

They were warned about Whyte ........its another conspiracy

They were warned about Greene.......look another conspiracy

For such a fanbase I've seen better organised and maintained demo's at the likes of Forfar than came out of Rangers over all these years

[bennett]

Another angry Thistle fan rewriting history, just what we need on here.

1. Bill Miller was never going to get the club

2. Bill Miller withdrew because he claimed the finances didn't add up/Duff and Phelps, not because of a tiny 'banner'.

3. The links with Andrew Ellis were very worrying.

4. Do one.

[thenolly]

and hell mend us!!

Cannot say I had any 'Truck offer' banners, sorry mate.

So have you bought a top or any merchandise since Sports direct started taking the cash, or a ST since Greene and his cronies started taking a slice??

[No8.]

Jack is a busy boy, thought it was £2m?

Edit, ah 50% Interest rate, silly me.

The bit i liked best was 'Newcastle United do not owe a penny to anyone'....Except over a £100 million to Mike Ashley who can call that in at anytime and demand whatever rates he chooses.

[thenolly]

No thanks to asset stripping Yanks, we prefer asset stripping Yorkshire men who wear orange tops

[dave.j]

That really irks you eh.

No, I pity you.