barrysnotter Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 When a pollster feels the need to release that kind of statement you know they are feeling the heat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 Did you read the WoS article? Yes. I think it makes a lot of fair points. I actually agree with most of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roverthemoon Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 Oh dear.. What is there to say oh dear about? This is clearly what the SNP did as did the Devoplus people. It may not have been Pringle himself but someone in the SNP has decided to order them that way as that statement confirms, now it could just be a coincidence that they unwittingly put two nationalist dog whistles before the referendum question but I doubt it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 When a pollster feels the need to release that kind of statement you know they are feeling the heat. Yes... i think there is a credibility issue. Panelbase dont want to be seen as a buy a poll result outfit. Might be a niche market mind you. I remember a quote on Five Live once. Eric Joyce was being brought on to defend some scumbaggery of Blair's and the quote when he arrived was 'when you need someone to defend the indefensible.. send for Eric Joyce..' When you need a pollster to find the unfindable..send for Panelbase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colkitto Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 What is there to say oh dear about? This is clearly what the SNP did as did the Devoplus people. It may not have been Pringle himself but someone in the SNP has decided to order them that way as that statement confirms, now it could just be a coincidence that they unwittingly put two nationalist dog whistles before the referendum question but I doubt it Oh dear because you don't have one scintilla of evidence to back up your claims Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 Oh dear because you don't have one scintilla of evidence to back up your claims Even you cannot possibly be suggesting that the order of the questions was not mandated in that way by the SNP. Backed up by the fact they felt the need in their press release to completely reverse them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 And it's also the only one of the big three not to have rated the UK this year, as long as we're dealing in facts. Then again if you want to base your view of the UK economy on figures from 18 months ago from an outfit that only lowered its ratings of mortgage-backed securities after the global financial crisis started then you be my guest. They'll see you coming, alright. edit: to be completely unequivocal here - anyone who thinks unsolicited ratings from S&P are anything other than absolute bullshit is living in fantasyland. We know this because it's been borne out repeatedly from 2007 onwards. When it comes to unsolicited ratings they are proven to know absolutely nothing more than anyone with a subscription to the Wall Street Journal, and in all probability a lot less since they're incentivized to support the status quo. Unlike you to be so sloppy. I never passed any opinion on the merits of sovereign ratings, I just pointed out that it is incorrect to say that the UK is no longer AAA rated - it is - by S&P. S&P is the biggest and most influential of the three main ratings agencies. It is also incorrect to say that S&P have not rated the UK this year. The ratings process is an ongoing one and can respond to changes whenever the rating agency deems it necessary. S&P re-affirmed the UK's AAA rating in April of this year. Here endeth the lesson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xbl Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 Wonder if yougov will be issuing a statement about their weightings and preamble. Double standards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roverthemoon Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 Wonder if yougov will be issuing a statement about their weightings and preamble. Double standards. I agree they should. Ideally all should agree on a standard wording, pre-amble and positioning but I doubt they'd agree to it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AberdeenBud Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 Hopefully you get this response before you get banned again but the fact you have equated someone thinking David Cameron is a dick and Alex Salmond is ok with meaning they should vote for Independence shows you are a thick c**t really. The Old Northerner worded that a bit more tactfully but then he is a nice chap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swampy Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 Unlike you to be so sloppy. I never passed any opinion on the merits of sovereign ratings, I just pointed out that it is incorrect to say that the UK is no longer AAA rated - it is - by S&P. S&P is the biggest and most influential of the three main ratings agencies. It is also incorrect to say that S&P have not rated the UK this year. The ratings process is an ongoing one and can respond to changes whenever the rating agency deems it necessary. S&P re-affirmed the UK's AAA rating in April of this year. Here endeth the lesson. My mistake about their reaffirming it this year. The data's six months old, then, not 18 months old (and that's fine.) I stand by my opinion of S&P, though. I think their unsolicited ratings are actually worse than useless, i.e. they are actively misleading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 Anas Sarwar looks like a rabbit caught in the headlights. Horrendous opening statement from him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 Fantastic, Anas lets turn the debate into Party politics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glasgow-sheep Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 Jesus Christ does Anas only have two lines. What a shambles of a man. Don't think he has answered a single question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrysnotter Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 Jesus Christ does Anas only have two lines. What a shambles of a man. Don't think he has answered a single question What a shambles of a "debate". No one comes out looking good so far, including the normally excellent John McKay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMMjag Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 Sarwar's an absolute horror show, typical Labour line of bringing in party politics when there's no call for it. For me it's the idea of a prospective, independent Scottish Parliament versus the Westminster status quo, therefore party politics bares no relevance here. Fud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 Hs is a joke. "If we have a UK Labour government" - We don't, Labour are in opposition for a reason, doesn't look like it is going to change any time soon. plus this is about Scottish independence, Not the SNP. FFS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambie's Pigeon Feed Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 Sanwar has ruined this as a spectacle and come across as an incompetent hapless twat with nothing constructive to say. Cynical bawbag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Bojangles Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 I'm not sure what the Labour party see in Sarwar, Lamont, Baillie, Alexander (male and female) etc. They come across as complete assholes. I'd far prefer to be seen as smug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 All Sarwar is doing is trying to defend the last UK Labour Government. He is fucking embarrassing. He hasn't once said why Scotland should not become independent. not once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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