MikeyWellFan Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 Nothing has really changed for Rangers supporters. All this pish about not being gloryhunters because they are in the lower leagues is rubbish. They are still the best team in their league and will win the title comfortably. The only way the crowds will drop is if they start losing every week and remain in that division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belfast_Tim Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 I reckon you are just about thick enough to believe the celtic figures are accurate. Right back at you mate. The people in charge at your club are a lot of things and honest certainly isn't one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 We'll sell more season tickets than any club company in Scotland, because we are the people! Fixed for you as we know that anything to do with money is nothing to do with the club! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No8. Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 Right back at you mate. The people in charge at your club are a lot of things and honest certainly isn't one of them.So you dont believe the figures? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belfast_Tim Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 So you dont believe the figures? I think they're true to an extent but I know we count every single season book holder for every game regardless of whether they are there. I'm not sure whether sevco do similar. My point was that laughing at us as if you had twice as much punters through the turnstiles as us is a bit stupid. Best case scenario we had more and worst case it was very tight. Not really much to gloat about either way. The fact that sevco are going to be hidden in our shadow for the forseeable means inane drivel about things like attendances is all you have in terms of point scoring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellbhoy Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 I reckon you are just about thick enough to believe the celtic figures are accurate. And you are just thick enough to believe The Rangers figures yourself even when they reported more support than they had at the stadium themselves at times last season.Both clubs doctored or massaged the figures to look better than how many actually attended the stadium during games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 Hellboys dad is bigger than your dad ............... Plonker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellbhoy Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 Hellboys dad is bigger than your dad ............... Plonker. So my well balanced post annoyed you ? . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fotbawmad Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 I didn't think our crowds would be as impressive, it really does show what happens when fans support their own team instead of obsessing over rivals. Try again. Celtic total attendance - 847,611 . Average - 47,089 Sevco total attendance - 823,399 Average - 45,744 http://espnfc.com/stats/attendance/_/league/sco.4/scottish-division-three?cc=5739 I reckon you are just about thick enough to believe the celtic figures are accurate. Neither crowd figures are accurate as season ticket holders are counted whether they attend or not. However, lets assume these figures are more or less accurate in terms of the difference in numbers. How much more money is your average Tím paying to watch a game compared your average bun? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belfast_Tim Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 Neither crowd figures are accurate as season ticket holders are counted whether they attend or not. However, lets assume these figures are more or less accurate in terms of the difference in numbers. How much more money is your average Tím paying to watch a game compared your average bun? I pay 29 quid for a run of the mill home game against say ICT or St Johnstone. Going to hazard a guess and say sevconians are paying considerably lower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 £29 for the fermers, not many bargains like that around nowadays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fotbawmad Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 I pay 29 quid for a run of the mill home game against say ICT or St Johnstone. Going to hazard a guess and say sevconians are paying considerably lower. They pay £17 AFAIK, which I think is a great step in general, but sadly doesn't come close to paying the bills given the running costs of the stadium and the level of success the fans would demand from such a team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 They pay £17 AFAIK, which I think is a great step in general, but sadly doesn't come close to paying the bills given the running costs of the stadium and the level of success the fans would demand from such a team. Please provide accurate details of all running costs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fotbawmad Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 Please provide accurate details of all running costs? I've provided you with ball park figures in the past, which you tried to rubbish without bringing up any counter claim by obsessing over minor details, but we can never be 100% sure unless your name happens to be Brian Stockbridge. All we know is your losing a million a month, and that doesn't take into account "one off payments", not to mention the lavish pay (and bonuses) your directors will be on. This was done pre-season last year just after Chuckles entered the big hoose. Players Weekly Wage Sandaza £5,000 Kyle £5,000 Emilson £5,000 Black £5,000 McCullock £10,000 Broadfoot £5,000 Wallace £5,000 Alexander £5,000 Sheils £5,000 Bedoya £5,000 Goian £5,000 Edu £5,000 Bocanegra £5,000 9 Others @£500 £4,500 Total week £74,500 Annual £3,874,000 Items Cost Players £3,874,000 Coaching Staff £1,000,000 Staff Costs £1,000,000 Match day costs £400,000 Security/police £1,000,000 Programme costs £45,000 AV/Media £250,000 Medical costs £20,000 Facilities £550,000 catering £2,500,000 Lease/hire £8,500,000 utilities £6,400,000 Waste disposal £120,000 Software licences £250,000 Football Community £100,000 Misc £1,500,000 Grand total £27,509,000 Incomes Season tickets @25000 £250 £6,250,000 Match day sales 10000 x 18 games £16 £2,800,000 Sponsorship £1,500,000 Programme sales £150,000 Hospitality £1,500,000 Other incomes £1,000,000 Total income £13,200,000 Total costing analysis Income £13,200,000 Expenditure £27,509,000 Deficit -£14,309,000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 I've provided you with ball park figures in the past, which you tried to rubbish without bringing up any counter claim by obsessing over minor details, but we can never be 100% sure unless your name happens to be Brian Stockbridge. All we know is your losing a million a month, and that doesn't take into account "one off payments", not to mention the lavish pay (and bonuses) your directors will be on. This was done pre-season last year just after Chuckles entered the big hoose. Players Weekly Wage Sandaza £5,000 Kyle £5,000 Emilson £5,000 Black £5,000 McCullock £10,000 Broadfoot £5,000 Wallace £5,000 Alexander £5,000 Sheils £5,000 Bedoya £5,000 Goian £5,000 Edu £5,000 Bocanegra £5,000 9 Others @£500 £4,500 Total week £74,500 Annual £3,874,000 Items Cost Players £3,874,000 Coaching Staff £1,000,000 Staff Costs £1,000,000 Match day costs £400,000 Security/police £1,000,000 Programme costs £45,000 AV/Media £250,000 Medical costs £20,000 Facilities £550,000 catering £2,500,000 Lease/hire £8,500,000 utilities £6,400,000 Waste disposal £120,000 Software licences £250,000 Football Community £100,000 Misc £1,500,000 Grand total £27,509,000 Incomes Season tickets @25000 £250 £6,250,000 Match day sales 10000 x 18 games £16 £2,800,000 Sponsorship £1,500,000 Programme sales £150,000 Hospitality £1,500,000 Other incomes £1,000,000 Total income £13,200,000 Total costing analysis Income £13,200,000 Expenditure £27,509,000 Deficit -£14,309,000 Where did this information come from and has it been verified? What are we leasing or hiring for £8.5m? We sold more than 25,000 season tickets etc ...... i could go on ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fotbawmad Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 Where did this information come from and has it been verified? What are we leasing or hiring for £8.5m? We sold more than 25,000 season tickets etc ...... i could go on ..... Selling a few thousand extra season tickets isn't going to stop you from being a large loss making business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 Selling a few thousand extra season tickets isn't going to stop you from being a large loss making business. Hardly a few thousand extra, now is it? Now what are we leasing or hiring for £8.5m? Again where did these 'figures' come from and have they been verified? Unless you can me up with some reasonable answers then no one will take these 'figures' seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No8. Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 Rangers do not count season tickets. 'Tim' and 'Bun'..,,,i'll remember this the next timee you discuss bigotry... bigot! Neither crowd figures are accurate as season ticket holders are counted whether they attend or not. However, lets assume these figures are more or less accurate in terms of the difference in numbers. How much more money is your average Tím paying to watch a game compared your average bun? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AberdeenBud Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 Well done to the sevconians for turning out in droves and supporting their team. I'm happy to admit I thought you would be lucky to get 20k ST's shifted, Chuckie coming in and fostering the siege mentality was a masterstroke that undoubtedly helped. Sad times when all you've got to boast about is attendances though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fotbawmad Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 Rangers do not count season tickets. 'Tim' and 'Bun'..,,,i'll remember this the next timee you discuss bigotry... bigot! Neither crowd figures are accurate as season ticket holders are counted whether they attend or not. However, lets assume these figures are more or less accurate in terms of the difference in numbers. How much more money is your average Tím paying to watch a game compared your average bun? No 8, please explain why Tím and Hún are bigoted terms? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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