ecto Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 Just how thick is your skull. No one, in any way, exposed Clare Lally personally. What the e mail highlighted was that BetterTogether were portraying her as an "ordinary mother", which we all now know is very far from the truth. This isn't an attack, with the exception of one idiot on Twitter, on Clare Lally. This has now been explained to you at least half a dozen times. Please get to grips with it. oh dear, unravelling by the second, it was quite a length to go to, just prove she was not just an "ordinary mother", Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Rider Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 She is not an "ordinary mother". Better Together No Thanks have been caughty out as being deceitful by portraying her as such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banterman86 Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 She is not an "ordinary mother". Better Together No Thanks have been caughty out as being deceitful by portraying her as such. She was calling herself an ordinary mother. To challenge that is not to challeneg BT but her personally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 She is not an "ordinary mother". Better Together No Thanks have been caughty out as being deceitful by portraying her as such. They know this, but the more attention they keep on it the less people will debate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confidemus Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 She was calling herself an ordinary mother. To challenge that is not to challeneg BT but her personally. If that's the case I have absolutely no issue in calling her disingenuous as well as No Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 She is not an "ordinary mother". Better Together No Thanks have been caughty out as being deceitful by portraying her as such. The word used was "normal" not "ordinary" and being a Labour voter in Clydebank and agreeing to be a "carer's champion" for Labour is hardly "not normal". She's certainly no less normal than "mother of two" Julie Hepburn, wife of Jamie Hepburn MSP, former political researcher of 4 years for the SNP, whose affiliations were not disclosed in a YesScotland puff-piece with a war veteran emphasising the multi-generational support for the Yes campaign Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 Clarity in the form of utter lies? Interesting. One mistaken identity, many illuminating facts. Yes, fascinating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 One mistaken identity, many illuminating facts. Yes, fascinating. If you're going to suggest that someone is being disingenuous (which she wasn't; being a carer's champion advising a political party doesn't make you "not normal") it's probably a good idea not to communicate this opinion while disseminating factually inaccurate assertions about them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confidemus Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 The word used was "normal" not "ordinary" and being a Labour voter in Clydebank and agreeing to be a "carer's champion" for Labour is hardly "not normal". She's certainly no less normal than "mother of two" Julie Hepburn, wife of Jamie Hepburn MSP, former political researcher of 4 years for the SNP, whose affiliations were not disclosed in a YesScotland puff-piece with a war veteran emphasising the multi-generational support for the Yes campaign ^^^ whataboutery. She's not just a "carer's champ", champ. She's also in the Shadow Labour Cabinet and is in Labour's National Policy Forum 2015. Hardly a "normal mother". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecto Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 She is not an "ordinary mother". Better Together No Thanks have been caught out as being deceitful by portraying her as such. maybe so, but Campbell Gunn used a very big hammer to crack a very small nut, considering he appeared to have most of the facts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blaven Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 She was calling herself an ordinary mother. To challenge that is not to challeneg BT but her personally. Do you see no deception on her ordinary mother speech? None at all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 Of course they do, but what did Gunn hope to achieve by sending the e-mail? Clarity - exposure of deceit. Which was actually achieved, btw. Lally is not an ordinary mother, she's a shadow cabinet member, all the faux outrage in the world can't change that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confidemus Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 maybe so, but Campbell Gunn used a very big hammer to crack a very small nut The only thing Campbell Gunn got incorrect was stating she was Pat Lally's daughter in law. Sack him! Sack him now!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 ^^^ whataboutery. She's not just a "carer's champ", champ. She's also in the Shadow Labour Cabinet and is in Labour's National Policy Forum 2015. Hardly a "normal mother". Her position in Labour's Shadow Cabinet is *AS* a "carer's champion". She is on the LNPF in that capacity too. There is nothing about that that makes her "not a normal mother". And the Julie Hepburn example isn't whataboutery. I'm using it to illustrate the fact that there's absolutely nothing wrong with people who demonstrably aren't politicians, who know or are close to politicians, who do campaigning and political activity, describing themselves in those terms. Were there a problem with such people doing so, the same criticisms should be made of YesScotland re Julie Hepburn as you are making them of Clare Lally of Better Together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 If you're going to suggest that someone is being disingenuous (which she wasn't; being a carer's champion advising a political party doesn't make you "not normal") it's probably a good idea not to communicate this opinion while disseminating factually inaccurate assertions about them. Apart from her familial connection, what was inaccurate in the email? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 Apart from her familial connection, what was inaccurate in the email? "Apart from the inaccurate thing in the email, what was inaccurate in the email?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confidemus Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 Her position in Labour's Shadow Cabinet is *AS* a "carer's champion". She is on the LNPF in that capacity too. There is nothing about that that makes her "not a normal mother". And the Julie Hepburn example isn't whataboutery. I'm using it to illustrate the fact that there's absolutely nothing wrong with people who demonstrably aren't politicians, who know or are close to politicians, who do campaigning and political activity, describing themselves in those terms. Were there a problem with such people doing so, the same criticisms should be made of YesScotland re Julie Hepburn as you are making them of Clare Lally of Better Together. Swing and a miss, champ. She's actually on the National Policy Forum as "Policy Commission: Britain's Global Role". Care to try again or are you going to try and deflect further? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blaven Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 maybe so, but Campbell Gunn used a very big hammer to crack a very small nut, considering he appeared to have most of the facts JoLo would have rather walked over hot coals in her thong than bring any deception from YES to light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 Swing and a miss, champ. She's actually on the National Policy Forum as "Policy Commission: Britain's Global Role". Care to try again or are you going to try and deflect further? Yes, she sits on that policy commission... in her capacity as a carer's champion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confidemus Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 Yes, she sits on that policy commission... in her capacity as a carer's champion. Struggling badly, Libby. Here's Clare Lally's role in the policy commission. Hardly a carer's champ, champ... "Britain's Global Role Policy Commission The Britain's Global Role Policy Commission deals with issues relating to foreign policy, defence, international aid and development and is comprised of members and stakeholder groups within the Party. The Commission is responsible for engaging with the Party on these policy issues, looking at how we address future challenges we face in these areas. We do this by building a dialogue with Party members, civil society, international organisations and global stakeholders. The Policy Commission has published its final year policy consultation, which can be read at the link below. CLPs and affiliates may now submit proposed textual amendments to this paper, while everyone can make submissions in response. Alongside the seven other final year documents, following agreement by the National Policy Forum and then Annual Conference, the final editions of these will be adopted as Labour’s policy programme. Last year the Commission met a number of times to discuss submissions in response to the Challenge Paper, ‘Britain’s Role in a post-2015 Development Vision’, taking evidence on what international framework should come after the Millennium Development Goals. Our conclusions are set out in the Policy Paper of the same title which can be viewed below. As part of Labour’s policy development process, the Commission will also be holding a series of roundtables to discuss the impact of EU membership on Britain’s economy and immigration, together a discussion on EU institutional reform. A host of external organisations will take part in these sessions, including CBI, EEF, European Council on Foreign Relations, Policy Network, TUC, British Future and LSE’s European Institute." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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