ayrmad Posted September 7, 2014 Share Posted September 7, 2014 Was watching it as well mate. They can't quite believe we might have the audacity to vote Yes. Even Liz is going to wade in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casual Bystander Posted September 7, 2014 Share Posted September 7, 2014 That's the question, will an independent Scotland have FULL control over everything ? I always hear that westminster have 'fucked us over' time and again...who's to say they won't do likewise in negotiating an independent Scotland ? They can't take away powers from an independent country. If we vote for independence from the Union, it's independence from the Union. Everything will be controlled from Holyrood and nothing from Westminster. The only negotiating is over the assets and the debts, along with the currency union, but none of that can "strip" us of any powers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaikuHibee Posted September 7, 2014 Share Posted September 7, 2014 That's the question, will an independent Scotland have FULL control over everything ? I always hear that westminster have 'fucked us over' time and again...who's to say they won't do likewise in negotiating an independent Scotland ? Who really cares mate? We've been shafted for decades, eighteen months is nowt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo99 Posted September 7, 2014 Share Posted September 7, 2014 That's the question, will an independent Scotland have FULL control over everything ? I always hear that westminster have 'fucked us over' time and again...who's to say they won't do likewise in negotiating an independent Scotland ? They can't take away powers from an independent country. If we vote for independence from the Union, it's independence from the Union. Everything will be controlled from Holyrood and nothing from Westminster. The only negotiating is over the assets and the debts, along with the currency union, but none of that can "strip" us of any powers. iScotland won't have "full" control over "everything". No country does. And if iScotland in EU, we won't have full control. Whatever happens , compromises will be made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuckleMoo Posted September 7, 2014 Share Posted September 7, 2014 That's the question, will an independent Scotland have FULL control over everything ? I always hear that westminster have 'fucked us over' time and again...who's to say they won't do likewise in negotiating an independent Scotland ? Because we hold the ace...Trident! If rUK refuse to play ball we tell them to take their fireworks to feck and give them weeks to do so. If, on the other hand, they are more reasonable during the negotiations then I'm sure we will be able to come to some sort of agreement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casual Bystander Posted September 7, 2014 Share Posted September 7, 2014 Who really cares mate? We've been shafted for decades, eighteen months is nowt. To be fair to the lad he deserves an answer. If people seriously think that voting Yes can still result in powers being kept at Westminster they need to be reassured that simply cannot happen. I would hate for people to think that a Yes is anything but complete and utter control at Holyrood. Absolutely nothing will be left at Westminster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo99 Posted September 7, 2014 Share Posted September 7, 2014 Because we hold the ace...Trident! If rUK refuse to play ball we tell them to take their fireworks to feck and give them weeks to do so. If, on the other hand, they are more reasonable during the negotiations then I'm sure we will be able to come to some sort of agreement Don't be daft. That won't happen. (dismantling a nuclear base safely will take more than "weeks") Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanderlei Posted September 7, 2014 Share Posted September 7, 2014 They can't take away powers from an independent country. If we vote for independence from the Union, it's independence from the Union. Everything will be controlled from Holyrood and nothing from Westminster. The only negotiating is over the assets and the debts, along with the currency union, but none of that can "strip" us of any powers. ye, these three parts are more or less full control, the rest goes without saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casual Bystander Posted September 7, 2014 Share Posted September 7, 2014 iScotland won't have "full" control over "everything". No country does. And if iScotland in EU, we won't have full control. Whatever happens , compromises will be made. Stop being an idiot. First you say we won't have full control, then you say "compromises" must be made. If we don't have control how can we make compromises? The simple fact is a vote Yes means absolutely NO powers remaining at Westminster. Of this there can be no debate. It is really as simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo99 Posted September 7, 2014 Share Posted September 7, 2014 To be fair to the lad he deserves an answer. If people seriously think that voting Yes can still result in powers being kept at Westminster they need to be reassured that simply cannot happen. I would hate for people to think that a Yes is anything but complete and utter control at Holyrood. Absolutely nothing will be left at Westminster. How can you possibly know that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casual Bystander Posted September 7, 2014 Share Posted September 7, 2014 ye, these three parts are more or less full control, the rest goes without saying. No, no, Westminster will not get control of those things. It's a matter of legally separating (for the lack of a better phrase) "our share". There will be NOTHING controlled from Westminster, no matter how well or not any negotiations go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo99 Posted September 7, 2014 Share Posted September 7, 2014 Stop being an idiot. First you say we won't have full control, then you say "compromises" must be made. If we don't have control how can we make compromises? The simple fact is a vote Yes means absolutely NO powers remaining at Westminster. Of this there can be no debate. It is really as simple as that. Not having full control= compromises. That is how I can say those two statements. Do you honestly believe a yes vote means iScotland just does 100% of all it wants, forever? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casual Bystander Posted September 7, 2014 Share Posted September 7, 2014 How can you possibly know that? What? Are you serious? If you can list something that will not be controlled from Holyrood, please list them (and who instead will control those powers). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casual Bystander Posted September 7, 2014 Share Posted September 7, 2014 Do you honestly believe a yes vote means iScotland just does 100% of all it wants, forever? Are you being intentionally obtuse, because I believe you are being intentionally obtuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo99 Posted September 7, 2014 Share Posted September 7, 2014 What? Are you serious? If you can list something that will not be controlled from Holyrood, please list them (and who instead will control those powers). All the things that are linked to UK. All the things that are linked to EU via the UK. All the things that are linked to the rest of the world. All these things are not going to be 100% accepted 100% of the time, by everywhere. Just cos Holyrood has control (in your picture) does not mean we can negociate them all to our advantage 100% succesfully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuckleMoo Posted September 7, 2014 Share Posted September 7, 2014 Don't be daft. That won't happen. (dismantling a nuclear base safely will take more than "weeks") You don't have to disarm the base, only the warheads, and that can be done in a matter of days! After the warheads are disarmed thats it, no more nuclear deterrent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo99 Posted September 7, 2014 Share Posted September 7, 2014 Are you being intentionally obtuse, because I believe you are being intentionally obtuse. no. i am being pragmatic. are you being 100% romantic and unrealistic? cos i think you are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo99 Posted September 7, 2014 Share Posted September 7, 2014 You don't have to disarm the base, only the warheads, and that can be done in a matter of days! After the warheads are disarmed thats it, no more nuclear deterrent oh aye. it will be a doddle. like you say. only days! a pushover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casual Bystander Posted September 7, 2014 Share Posted September 7, 2014 All the things that are linked to UK. All the things that are linked to EU via the UK. All the things that are linked to the rest of the world. All these things are not going to be 100% accepted 100% of the time, by everywhere. Just cos Holyrood has control (in your picture) does not mean we can negociate them all to our advantage 100% succesfully. Sorry but where is that list? All you've said is "all the things". Your logic is massively flawed. Just because Scotland may wish to be part of the EU doesn't mean it's not an independent country. The decision to join the EU will be taken at Holyrood, not Westminster. We have complete control whether we wish to join it or not. (Edit: Obviously I want us to join, but that's not the argument you are trying to make here). You really are being extremely obtuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo99 Posted September 7, 2014 Share Posted September 7, 2014 Sorry but where is that list? All you've said is "all the things". Your logic is massively flawed. Just because Scotland may wish to be part of the EU doesn't mean it's not an independent country. The decision to join the EU will be taken at Holyrood, not Westminster. We have complete control whether we wish to join it or not. (Edit: Obviously I want us to join, but that's not the argument you are trying to make here). You really are being extremely obtuse. Yes. It is the list. That is what the list looks like. iScotland needs to negociate all of that (some will happen quickly tho) "Just because Scotland may wish to be part of the EU doesn't mean it's not an independent country." < i never said otherwise. All countries in the EU are independant countries. iScotland joining the EU is obviously not in control of Holyrood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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