Reynard Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Are you having a giraffe, that and international law is all you've brought to the debate, between you and Reynard you've informed of the square root of hee haw. Answer 1 simple question with a straight yes or no. Did we subsidise rUK to the tune of ~£2.5billion in 2011/12? Possibly. Although according to the much trumpeted 9.9% contribution by Scotland,that figure in cash is 56.9billion whereas the measly 9.3% of government spending is 64.5billion The rUK has subsidised Scotland in the latest set of GERS to come out in March though as oil revenue is down significantly nearly half the previous year which is how Barnett is supposed to work. 1999/00 ... 8.8% ... 9.6% ... rUK subsidised Sco *** 2000/01 ... 9.1% ... 9.5% ... rUK subsidised Sco *** 2001/02 ... 9.3% ... 9.5% ... rUK subsidised Sco *** 2002/03 ... 9.3% ... 9.7% ... rUK subsidised Sco *** 2003/04 ... 9.1% ... 9.7% ... rUK subsidised Sco *** 2004/05 ... 9.2% ... 9.5% ... rUK subsidised Sco *** 2005/06 ... 9.8% ... 9.5% ... Sco subsidised rUK 2006/07 ... 9.6% ... 9.6% ... neutral 2007/08 ... 9.5% ... 9.6% ... rUK subsidised Sco *** 2008/09 ... 10.4% ... 9.3% ... Sco subsidised rUK 2009/10 ... 9.3% ... 9.2% ... Sco subsidised rUK 2010/11 ... 9.5% ... 9.2% ... Sco subsidised rUK 2011/12 ... 9.9% ... 9.3% ... Sco subsidised rUK These are from the various GERS reports since devolution according to Scottish government figures 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 I have no idea. I have no idea what the UK's internal budgetary position is. I doubt that is a simple question to be honest. I am aware that Scotland spent more than it earned based on the GERS figures. Rather than all that long winded pish, a simple "I don't know anything about figures" would have been fine. At least we've clarified that your thoughts on anything financial is based on nothing more than what you think rather than what you know. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynard Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 1999/00 ... 8.3% ... 9.6% ... rUK subsidised Sco *** 2000/01 ... 8.6% ... 9.5% ... rUK subsidised Sco *** 2001/02 ... 8.8% ... 9.5% ... rUK subsidised Sco *** 2002/03 ... 8.9% ... 9.7% ... rUK subsidised Sco *** 2003/04 ... 8.7% ... 9.7% ... rUK subsidised Sco *** 2004/05 ... 8.8% ... 9.5% ... rUK subsidised Sco *** 2005/06 ... 9.5% ... 9.5% ... neutral 2006/07 ... 9.3% ... 9.6% ... rUK subsidised Sco *** 2007/08 ... 9.2% ... 9.6% ... rUK subsidised Sco *** 2008/09 ... 10.2% ... 9.3% ... Sco subsidised rUK 2009/10 ... 9.2% ... 9.2% ... neutral 2010/11 ... 9.4% ... 9.2% ... Sco subsidised rUK 2011/12 ... 9.8% ... 9.3% ... Sco subsidised rUK 2012/13 ... 9.0% ... ??? ... These are the figures from HMRC The final figures are not yet published for the last one but we already know the amount raised in percentage terms. With oil revenue having plummetted from a near record high the previous year it's a fair assumption to make that rUK subsidised Scotland. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Rather than all that long winded pish, a simple "I don't know anything about figures" would have been fine. At least we've clarified that your thoughts on anything financial is based on nothing more than what you think rather than what you know. It depends what figures you are talking about. I know that Scotland spends more than it earns currently based on the most recent GERS figures. Did you know that? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Possibly. Although according to the much trumpeted 9.9% contribution by Scotland,that figure in cash is 56.9billion whereas the measly 9.3% of government spending is 64.5billion The rUK has subsidised Scotland in the latest set of GERS to come out in March though as oil revenue is down significantly nearly half the previous year which is how Barnett is supposed to work. 1999/00 ... 8.8% ... 9.6% ... rUK subsidised Sco *** 2000/01 ... 9.1% ... 9.5% ... rUK subsidised Sco *** 2001/02 ... 9.3% ... 9.5% ... rUK subsidised Sco *** 2002/03 ... 9.3% ... 9.7% ... rUK subsidised Sco *** 2003/04 ... 9.1% ... 9.7% ... rUK subsidised Sco *** 2004/05 ... 9.2% ... 9.5% ... rUK subsidised Sco *** 2005/06 ... 9.8% ... 9.5% ... Sco subsidised rUK 2006/07 ... 9.6% ... 9.6% ... neutral 2007/08 ... 9.5% ... 9.6% ... rUK subsidised Sco *** 2008/09 ... 10.4% ... 9.3% ... Sco subsidised rUK 2009/10 ... 9.3% ... 9.2% ... Sco subsidised rUK 2010/11 ... 9.5% ... 9.2% ... Sco subsidised rUK 2011/12 ... 9.9% ... 9.3% ... Sco subsidised rUK These are from the various GERS reports since devolution according to Scottish government figures Work out the numbers including the UK deficit then, posting numbers like that means diddlysquat. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 It depends what figures you are talking about. I know that Scotland spends more than it earns currently based on the most recent GERS figures. Did you know that? I also know that the UK spends even more than it earns. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 It depends what figures you are talking about. I know that Scotland spends more than it earns currently based on the most recent GERS figures. Did you know that? Who doesn't? So does the UK, what's your point? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynard Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Work out the numbers including the UK deficit then, posting numbers like that means diddlysquat. feel free taxes collected in Scotland http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/statistics/receipts.htm scottish governments version of events http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Topics/Statistics/Browse/Economy/GERS/RelatedAreas/LRfiscalbalances2013 public spending in scotland http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Topics/Statistics/Browse/Economy/GERS/RelatedAreas/LRfiscalbalances2013 The figures are all there in cash terms if you can be arsed. looking. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banterman86 Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 How is BT "falling apart at the seams"? Has there been more stuff since the bizarre story of darling being moved for Michael Gove(!) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 (edited) feel free taxes collected in Scotland http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/statistics/receipts.htm scottish governments version of events http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Topics/Statistics/Browse/Economy/GERS/RelatedAreas/LRfiscalbalances2013 public spending in scotland http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Topics/Statistics/Browse/Economy/GERS/RelatedAreas/LRfiscalbalances2013 The figures are all there in cash terms if you can be arsed. looking. I've looked at all the numbers, I'll post them all in more detail later so everyone can see the levels of financial illiteracy you're displaying on here. Edited January 10, 2014 by ayrmad 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynard Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Work out the numbers including the UK deficit then, posting numbers like that means diddlysquat. well it shows the number of times since devolution where Scotland has actually contributed the other way as well as the times the Barnett formula has worked in its favour doesnt it? So, while yoiu maynot like it very much, those are the figures in percentage terms so beloved of the nationalists. If you fancy trawling through everything Ive given you the links. If you want to spend a few hours doing it then fill your boots. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynard Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 I've looked at all the numbers, I'll post them all in more detail later so everyone can the levels financial illiteracy you're displaying on here. Look forward to seeing how that goes for you. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynard Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 remember to allow for inflation 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFC90 Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Scotland running a deficit shocker WTF ???? Is this what the unionists have been reduced to ? Unluckily for them, the UK runs with an even bigger defecit. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynard Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Identified public spending UK 2012-13£560bn identified UK £456bn England (81.49%)£54bn Scotland (9.64%)£30bn Wales (5.33%)£20bn N Ireland (3.54%)unidentified public spending£114bn UK 2012-13 allocated on population % £96bn England (84%)£9.5bn Scotland (8.3%)£5.5bn Wales (4.8%)£3.3bn N Ireland (3.3%)Total identified and unidentified spending £552bn England (81.86%) <----lower than it's 84% population£63.5bn Scotland (9.42%) <----higher than it's 8.3% population£35.5bn Wales (5.26%)£23.3bn N Ireland (3.46%) could always be better of course, but they'd just piss it away on shite anyway. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynard Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Scotland running a deficit shocker WTF ???? Is this what the unionists have been reduced to ? Unluckily for them, the UK runs with an even bigger defecit. Scotlands deficit spending is currently being funded by the UK's very low interest rates remember. Scotland certainly wouldn't have those which makes the debt and deficit costs that bit more expensive to our taxpayers if we leave. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynard Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Scotland will also have to fund it's institutions and its own tax collecting regime as well as various other things that we currently share or spread costs on. I take it the white paper didn't get around to telling us estimated costs of this? They should do as it's us that will be paying for it all. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 I can tell Reynard's getting more and more frantic (and abusive) by the number of hidden posts I can see. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFC90 Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Scotland will also have to fund it's institutions and its own tax collecting regime as well as various other things that we currently share or spread costs on. I take it the white paper didn't get around to telling us estimated costs of this? They should do as it's us that will be paying for it all. Of course.there will be certain start up costs just like a.new.business. Maybe the 4.5 billion we save from daft train sets will cover it. Wasn't it GERS that said we would be the 8th richest country on Earth? Forgive me for not believing that the 17th richest country is propping us up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Reynard do you not have a job or something to do, your never off of these forums, bore off with your shite. Vote YES 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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