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Are you having a giraffe, that and international law is all you've brought to the debate, between you and Reynard you've informed of the square root of hee haw.

Answer 1 simple question with a straight yes or no.

Did we subsidise rUK to the tune of ~£2.5billion in 2011/12?

Possibly. Although according to the much trumpeted 9.9% contribution by Scotland,that figure in cash is 56.9billion whereas the measly 9.3% of government spending is 64.5billion

The rUK has subsidised Scotland in the latest set of GERS to come out in March though as oil revenue is down significantly nearly half the previous year which is how Barnett is supposed to work.

1999/00 ... 8.8% ... 9.6% ... rUK subsidised Sco ***

2000/01 ... 9.1% ... 9.5% ... rUK subsidised Sco ***

2001/02 ... 9.3% ... 9.5% ... rUK subsidised Sco ***

2002/03 ... 9.3% ... 9.7% ... rUK subsidised Sco ***

2003/04 ... 9.1% ... 9.7% ... rUK subsidised Sco ***

2004/05 ... 9.2% ... 9.5% ... rUK subsidised Sco ***

2005/06 ... 9.8% ... 9.5% ... Sco subsidised rUK

2006/07 ... 9.6% ... 9.6% ... neutral

2007/08 ... 9.5% ... 9.6% ... rUK subsidised Sco ***

2008/09 ... 10.4% ... 9.3% ... Sco subsidised rUK

2009/10 ... 9.3% ... 9.2% ... Sco subsidised rUK

2010/11 ... 9.5% ... 9.2% ... Sco subsidised rUK

2011/12 ... 9.9% ... 9.3% ... Sco subsidised rUK

These are from the various GERS reports since devolution according to Scottish government figures

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I have no idea. I have no idea what the UK's internal budgetary position is.

I doubt that is a simple question to be honest.

I am aware that Scotland spent more than it earned based on the GERS figures.

Rather than all that long winded pish, a simple "I don't know anything about figures" would have been fine.

At least we've clarified that your thoughts on anything financial is based on nothing more than what you think rather than what you know.

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1999/00 ... 8.3% ... 9.6% ... rUK subsidised Sco ***

2000/01 ... 8.6% ... 9.5% ... rUK subsidised Sco ***

2001/02 ... 8.8% ... 9.5% ... rUK subsidised Sco ***

2002/03 ... 8.9% ... 9.7% ... rUK subsidised Sco ***

2003/04 ... 8.7% ... 9.7% ... rUK subsidised Sco ***

2004/05 ... 8.8% ... 9.5% ... rUK subsidised Sco ***

2005/06 ... 9.5% ... 9.5% ... neutral

2006/07 ... 9.3% ... 9.6% ... rUK subsidised Sco ***

2007/08 ... 9.2% ... 9.6% ... rUK subsidised Sco ***

2008/09 ... 10.2% ... 9.3% ... Sco subsidised rUK

2009/10 ... 9.2% ... 9.2% ... neutral

2010/11 ... 9.4% ... 9.2% ... Sco subsidised rUK

2011/12 ... 9.8% ... 9.3% ... Sco subsidised rUK

2012/13 ... 9.0% ... ??? ...

These are the figures from HMRC

The final figures are not yet published for the last one but we already know the amount raised in percentage terms. With oil revenue having plummetted from a near record high the previous year it's a fair assumption to make that rUK subsidised Scotland.

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Rather than all that long winded pish, a simple "I don't know anything about figures" would have been fine.

At least we've clarified that your thoughts on anything financial is based on nothing more than what you think rather than what you know.

It depends what figures you are talking about.

I know that Scotland spends more than it earns currently based on the most recent GERS figures.

Did you know that?

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Possibly. Although according to the much trumpeted 9.9% contribution by Scotland,that figure in cash is 56.9billion whereas the measly 9.3% of government spending is 64.5billion

The rUK has subsidised Scotland in the latest set of GERS to come out in March though as oil revenue is down significantly nearly half the previous year which is how Barnett is supposed to work.

1999/00 ... 8.8% ... 9.6% ... rUK subsidised Sco ***

2000/01 ... 9.1% ... 9.5% ... rUK subsidised Sco ***

2001/02 ... 9.3% ... 9.5% ... rUK subsidised Sco ***

2002/03 ... 9.3% ... 9.7% ... rUK subsidised Sco ***

2003/04 ... 9.1% ... 9.7% ... rUK subsidised Sco ***

2004/05 ... 9.2% ... 9.5% ... rUK subsidised Sco ***

2005/06 ... 9.8% ... 9.5% ... Sco subsidised rUK

2006/07 ... 9.6% ... 9.6% ... neutral

2007/08 ... 9.5% ... 9.6% ... rUK subsidised Sco ***

2008/09 ... 10.4% ... 9.3% ... Sco subsidised rUK

2009/10 ... 9.3% ... 9.2% ... Sco subsidised rUK

2010/11 ... 9.5% ... 9.2% ... Sco subsidised rUK

2011/12 ... 9.9% ... 9.3% ... Sco subsidised rUK

These are from the various GERS reports since devolution according to Scottish government figures

Work out the numbers including the UK deficit then, posting numbers like that means diddlysquat.

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It depends what figures you are talking about.

I know that Scotland spends more than it earns currently based on the most recent GERS figures.

Did you know that?

I also know that the UK spends even more than it earns.

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Work out the numbers including the UK deficit then, posting numbers like that means diddlysquat.

feel free

taxes collected in Scotland

http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/statistics/receipts.htm

scottish governments version of events

http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Topics/Statistics/Browse/Economy/GERS/RelatedAreas/LRfiscalbalances2013

public spending in scotland

http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Topics/Statistics/Browse/Economy/GERS/RelatedAreas/LRfiscalbalances2013

The figures are all there in cash terms if you can be arsed. looking.

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feel free

taxes collected in Scotland

http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/statistics/receipts.htm

scottish governments version of events

http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Topics/Statistics/Browse/Economy/GERS/RelatedAreas/LRfiscalbalances2013

public spending in scotland

http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Topics/Statistics/Browse/Economy/GERS/RelatedAreas/LRfiscalbalances2013

The figures are all there in cash terms if you can be arsed. looking.

I've looked at all the numbers, I'll post them all in more detail later so everyone can see the levels of financial illiteracy you're displaying on here.

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Work out the numbers including the UK deficit then, posting numbers like that means diddlysquat.

well it shows the number of times since devolution where Scotland has actually contributed the other way as well as the times the Barnett formula has worked in its favour doesnt it? So, while yoiu maynot like it very much, those are the figures in percentage terms so beloved of the nationalists.

If you fancy trawling through everything Ive given you the links. If you want to spend a few hours doing it then fill your boots.

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Identified public spending UK 2012-13
£560bn identified UK

£456bn England (81.49%)
£54bn Scotland (9.64%)
£30bn Wales (5.33%)
£20bn N Ireland (3.54%)

unidentified public spending
£114bn UK 2012-13 allocated on population %

£96bn England (84%)
£9.5bn Scotland (8.3%)
£5.5bn Wales (4.8%)
£3.3bn N Ireland (3.3%)

Total identified and unidentified spending

£552bn England (81.86%) <----lower than it's 84% population
£63.5bn Scotland (9.42%) <----higher than it's 8.3% population
£35.5bn Wales (5.26%)
£23.3bn N Ireland (3.46%)

could always be better of course, but they'd just piss it away on shite anyway.

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Scotland running a deficit shocker :lol: WTF ????

Is this what the unionists have been reduced to ?

Unluckily for them, the UK runs with an even bigger defecit.

Scotlands deficit spending is currently being funded by the UK's very low interest rates remember. Scotland certainly wouldn't have those which makes the debt and deficit costs that bit more expensive to our taxpayers if we leave.

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Scotland will also have to fund it's institutions and its own tax collecting regime as well as various other things that we currently share or spread costs on. I take it the white paper didn't get around to telling us estimated costs of this? They should do as it's us that will be paying for it all.

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Scotland will also have to fund it's institutions and its own tax collecting regime as well as various other things that we currently share or spread costs on. I take it the white paper didn't get around to telling us estimated costs of this? They should do as it's us that will be paying for it all.

Of course.there will be certain start up costs just like a.new.business. Maybe the 4.5 billion we save from daft train sets will cover it.

Wasn't it GERS that said we would be the 8th richest country on Earth?

Forgive me for not believing that the 17th richest country is propping us up.

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