Casual Bystander Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 Excellent figures for the Scottish economy in the context of a supportive union which endorses the need to retain it. Thanks for this. Well you might have read that, but it's clear you didn't understand it if you think that it means a union is the only thing providing the support for the economy. What is abundantly clear though is the fact that Scotland would in no way be the basket case that some in the media are painting it, should it decide to become independent. And that is the clear message that needs to be put forward. The fear mongering and doom merchantry is all smoke and mirrors. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 If you can read between Curice's obvious seethe... http://blog.whatscotlandthinks.org/2014/09/icm-put-yes-ahead-perhaps/ No mention of them being closest on the 2011 AV referendum in that blog entry that's for sure, although with a bit of googling it turns out that was with a telephone poll and a sample size of 1035. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorlomin Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/sep/13/alex-salmond-scotland-needs-undecided-voters-poll 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRob72 Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 How are the odds looking on Billy Hills tonight Comedius!? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludo*1 Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 Panelbase's poll was done purely online was it not? I wouldn't be so sure that it'll be a terrible result for the Yes side, don't think Yes will be ahead but don't think it'll be as 'comfy' as the other two polls favouring No today. Not long till we find out I suppose. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casual Bystander Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/sep/13/alex-salmond-scotland-needs-undecided-voters-poll Which flies in the face of other pollsters who have roundly admitted that the undecideds have been favouring the Yes. While I wouldn't count them as a Yes, that poll seems to show these voters as split 50/50. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confidemus Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 How are the odds looking on Billy Hills tonight Comedius!? Wonderful, thanks, Robert. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casual Bystander Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 Do you know what Fran Healy (Travis) said about Salmond? "I don't like him because he's fat" Seriously. Got to love musicians. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/sep/13/alex-salmond-scotland-needs-undecided-voters-poll It's worth remembering that the two sub polls will have sample sizes less than half the size of the original poll. So a second pinch of salt might be in order on top of the one you should take as standard 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkoRaj Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 So is the yes 54 bollocks? Can't find anything about it apart from a random twitter account 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casual Bystander Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 So is the yes 54 bollocks? Can't find anything about it apart from a random twitter account How much to you trust Curtice? http://blog.whatscotlandthinks.org/2014/09/icm-put-yes-ahead-perhaps/ Bearing in mind he is a loyalist sympathiser, who really doesn't like putting forward a positive case for the Yes vote (as can be seen from the tear stained blog). Now would he be publishing an article implicitly stating a huge Yes lead if it was not true? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorlomin Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 It's worth remembering that the two sub polls will have sample sizes less than half the size of the original poll. So a second pinch of salt might be in order on top of the one you should take as standard We wont know if the likely unusually high turn out will have been effectively captured by polling weightings until the polls close and the exits are released. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confidemus Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 So is the yes 54 bollocks? Can't find anything about it apart from a random twitter account Nope. http://scotgoespop.blogspot.co.uk/ Saturday, September 13, 2014 Yes campaign open up eight-point lead in stunning poll from "gold standard" ICM New ICM poll : Yes 54% (+9) No 46% (-9) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkoRaj Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 How much to you trust Curtice? http://blog.whatscotlandthinks.org/2014/09/icm-put-yes-ahead-perhaps/ Bearing in mind he is a loyalist sympathiser, who really doesn't like putting forward a positive case for the Yes vote (as can be seen from the tear stained blog). Now would he be publishing an article implicitly stating a huge Yes lead if it was not true? Is the telegraph so seething that they aren't advertising their paper because they don't want to announce a yes lead? You would think that would be a headline announcement rather than having to go searching blogs to find it. He links to the article btw. This is really important, no matter how unreliable the polls are it shows that we won't be frightened into voting no. I was genuinely fearing that there would be a poll out showing us at under 45 and demoralising the campaign. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 Which flies in the face of other pollsters who have roundly admitted that the undecideds have been favouring the Yes. While I wouldn't count them as a Yes, that poll seems to show these voters as split 50/50. Although that would suggest that more of the current pool of Yes voters are recent arrivals who were "Don't know"s until recently. They could be expected to be less certain and that would explain the result 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkoRaj Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 Curtice btw what a joke 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 So is the yes 54 bollocks? Can't find anything about it apart from a random twitter account It's for real if Curtice is talking about it and appears to have been commissioned by the Sunday Telegraph, who I suspect may be burying it a bit for ideological reasons. The concern about sample size if a bit overblown in statistics terms in Curtice's blog entry given it means a 4% margin of error rather than a 3% one. It all boils down to whether you think telephone or internet surveys are likely to be more accurate. Think the latter is likely to be better at reaching younger voters given its older people that will tend to have a landline nowadays. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuckleMoo Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 Can I just say thanks to Dorlomin and Renton for cutting through some of the bullshit that these polls have been producing. Very informative guys and many thanks 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-MAN Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 SOmeone just texted me to say betting suspended on YES online Obv adjusting odds after this result. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 Yes 8 points up No on one and No 10 up on another one. Safe to say, polls are an absolute heap of shite 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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