Ludo*1 Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 'I've watched this helicopter for years and it doesn't land on the roofs of pubs or houses.' - Well no shit Sherlock. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ebanda's Handyman Services Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Of course, yeah. It's of course hearsay on my part to suggest it was a controlled landing or how much time the pilot had to react to the circumstances, especially given that Gordon Smart alluded that it was in a spin upon crashing. Point being though is that if it was utterly out of control, it would have barreled straight through the bar...it wouldn't have come to rest on the roof before going through it as some (admittedly probably half scooped) pub goers have said, unless it was a sheer million to one shot. Either way, it's a fucking horrific tragedy that seems to have been minimised by either luck, pilot skill or a combination of both. I either heard or read earlier that these aircraft have a fail safe when the rotors kick in to lift the craft when it is close to the ground to minimise impact. This might be the whooshing noise that Grace heard and may have been the difference between it barrelling through the roof and just dunting it before falling through. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 I'm surprised we only have one police helicopter in the country 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim McLean's Ghost Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 The police aren't going to say anything until the bodies are recovered. It would be callous to officially announce the deaths when there are people still working to free the bodies. I think the police are trying to clear the scene and I wouldn't be surprised if it was an police officer responsible for the "fucking vulture" comment earlier 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim McLean's Ghost Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 I'm surprised we only have one police helicopter in the country we only have one type of helicopter in service, we have more than one helicopter 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shuggie_Murray7 Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 The police aren't going to say anything until the bodies are recovered. It would be callous to officially announce the deaths when there are people still working to free the bodies. I think the police are trying to clear the scene and I wouldn't be surprised if it was an police officer responsible for the "fucking vulture" comment earlier I said this to the missus as well. He seems to be standing right next to them and it was a fairly loud outburst. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy85 Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Glasgow. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
statts1976uk Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 I either heard or read earlier that these aircraft have a fail safe when the rotors kick in to lift the craft when it is close to the ground to minimise impact. This might be the whooshing noise that Grace heard and may have been the difference between it barrelling through the roof and just dunting it before falling through. No they don't. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shuggie_Murray7 Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Brendan is clearly trying to see how many times he can say the word "fag" during his interview. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballymoneyyin Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 I said this to the missus as well. He seems to be standing right next to them and it was a fairly loud outburst. Vulturegate 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bairn Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 This student guy is trying to be a hipster by phoning 112 and not 999 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanny paddery Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Latest classic from BBC anchorman : 'Is the roof open to the public?'. Does it look like the roof is open to the public 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ebanda's Handyman Services Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 No they don't. Even if they did have such a thing, the helicopter was apparently tumbling out of control so doubt something like that would come in to play anyway. Strange that if the helicopter was dropping like a stone as Gordon Smart described that it didn't just trash the whole pub though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim McLean's Ghost Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 This student guy is trying to be a hipster by phoning 112 and not 999 Pretty sure Brendan was Irish 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bairn Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Latest classic from BBC anchorman : 'Is the roof open to the public?'. Does it look like the roof is open to the public Yeah, I thought that line was a bit odd 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meanmistermustard Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 You know some sad b*****d will complain that a swear word was audible on bbc news at 1/2 12 in the morning. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shuggie_Murray7 Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Howling journalism from STV. STV News @STVNews STV News understands three people have died on board the police helicopter that crashed in Glasgow tonight. http://news.stv.tv/west-central/250930-helicopter-crashes-into-roof-of-bar-in-glasgow-city-centre/ The direct link to this tweet says "It is not known how many people were on board the helicopter when it came down or what their fate was. " 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
statts1976uk Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 I didn't suggest it was autorotating - if there was still power then the main rotor would still have been rotating and therefore generating a certain amount of lift - my main point was that without the tail rotor then the pilot had no directional control. One of the problems of tail rotor failure is that it would cause the a/c to spin and this would cause issues with supply air to the engine which would account for the "popping" sounds that a witness described. This would affect any input to the coupling gearbox and therefore lift. We're sitting in the hangar up here in Aberdeen trying to think of the last time that a Fenestron failed, we're thinking it could have come from the tail takeoff. You are correct about the tail rotor and what reduced directional torque would do to the directional control. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 You know some sad b*****d will complain that a swear word was audible on bbc news at 1/2 12 in the morning. Reported. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludo*1 Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 If they're raising a screen, I presume that confirms fatalities and obviously don't want people to see the bodies being helped into an ambulance. Wee fannies hanging about on BBC news just laughing and trying to cause bother FS. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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