Dee Man Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 So apparently they're able to pull a bunch of fresh passports with uncreased tickets still inside them. Yep, that makes sense So what are you suggesting? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fotbawmad Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 So what are you suggesting? They should start making planes out of passport material. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killie_lad Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dee Man Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 They should start making planes out of passport material. Seriously though, the entire plane wasn't incinerated. That photo is the worst part of the scene going by all the pictures but there is loads of stuff that is intact. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zetterlund Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 There are pictures of piles of luggage in seemingly perfect nick too, since it would have just freefalled down after the plane broke up. I' would imagine many of the passports were recovered from hand luggage. I'd need to don an oversized Bacofoil sombrero to try to explain the WTC one though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorlomin Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 The second image looks like engine parts. If the aircraft was relatively intact or even if the wing was then the fuel tank and engine would have hit the ground together and burst into flames. The fuselage and its contents would have been scattered with little burning. The big worry is those passports would help identify bodies. Collecting them could make the job of identification a bit harder. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hillonearth Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Reckon it's now cut and dried who did it at any rate. If there was any chance the Ukrainian government forces had done it, the Russians/pro-Russian rebels - who seem to be interchangeable anyway - would be falling over themselves to get the information out there. Their continuing hampering of any investigation is just making them look guiltier by the minute. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fotbawmad Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Reckon it's now cut and dried who did it at any rate. If there was any chance the Ukrainian government forces had done it, the Russians/pro-Russian rebels - who seem to be interchangeable anyway - would be falling over themselves to get the information out there. Their continuing hampering of any investigation is just making them look guiltier by the minute. You're either... A - Not very bright B - Haven't done any of your own research and taking MSM's word as gospel C - Desperately want to believe it was the Russian's/rebels 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorlomin Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 You're either... A - Not very bright B - Haven't done any of your own research and taking MSM's word as gospel C - Desperately want to believe it was the Russian's/rebels https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-0TEJMJOhk#t=77 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hillonearth Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 You're either... A - Not very bright B - Haven't done any of your own research and taking MSM's word as gospel C - Desperately want to believe it was the Russian's/rebels I'd love to hear the findings of your own independent research, which I imagine would be fairly similar to mine in this instance, i.e. sitting on your arse in front of either a keyboard or TV. I'm always a bit wary of people who start referring to "the MSM" in these cases, when alternative sources they have discovered in the course of their "research" are largely inhabiting Alex Jones territory. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AberdeenBud Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 You're either... A - Not very bright B - Haven't done any of your own research and taking MSM's word as gospel C - Desperately want to believe it was the Russian's/rebels Seen a video of the plane crash, and there is no mid-air explosion, which you'd expect had a missile been fired at it. It looks like it might be a legitimate crash from an on board malfunction, or there was some kind of EMP attack on it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dee Man Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 You're either... A - Not very bright B - Haven't done any of your own research and taking MSM's word as gospel C - Desperately want to believe it was the Russian's/rebels Do you have a theory on what happened? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 The only media outlet not blaming the rebels that I've saw is RT and I mean imagine if they started blaming the rebels. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEETHING Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Do you have a theory on what happened? He's already posited an EMP attack. No doubt Soap and Captain Price are infiltrating the Kremlin as we speak. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyle Lanley Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 He's already posited an EMP attack. No doubt Soap and Captain Price are infiltrating the Kremlin as we speak. Greenie for mentioning Captain Price and Soap 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fotbawmad Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 (edited) Do you have a theory on what happened? I want to make it clear when the event first happened there was a lot of speculation and misinformation, which always happens during these tragedies. There was speculation like an attempted assassination on Putin and even killing a passenger because they recently found a cure for cancer When it comes to spotting false flags, the first thing I look out for is the authorities quick to blame or bring forward an agenda. When it was not clear what happened or who done it (like with the 3 Israeli teenagers a few weeks ago). Then you want to look to see if any dodgy legislation gets passed by government shortly afterwards, because the chances are that bill was written weeks, months or years beforehand. Government investigations are notoriously slow and careful. Meaning something of this magnitude would usually take months and sometimes years to complete, and all the evidence would be released to the public afterwards. When I first heard about the crash. My first instinct was to question why an airliner would fly over such a region? Then it was to question if it malfunctioned and crashed or was it shot down? If it was shot down, then by whom? Did they shoot it down by accident? If not why? As for flying over such a region it turns out the Ukrainian authorities diverted it over the region and then told it to lower it's altitude by 2000 feet. It was definitely shot down, it was confirmed the plane was in full working order beforehand. The evidence points towards the Ukrainian's doing it, with the intention of blaming it on the Russian's It was definitely not an accident. Why? Because audio between a "supposed" rebel commander and Russian general. Talking about the event after it just happened, was time stamped the day beforehand. Not only that, an independent expert confirmed the file had two different audio streams. Proving it had been edited. Lastly, I'm pretty sure such high level people like that would have their phone calls encrypted. To me the most damning evidence of all is the tweets coming out from the Spanish air traffic controller, which were deleted not long after, but you can't delete truly delete something once it's uploaded online. _________________________- 0:21 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Kiev Authorities, trying to make it look like an attack by pro-Russians. 10:25 – 17 de jul. de 2014 [Miitary] has taken control of Air Traffic Control in Kiev. 0:35 – 17 de jul. de 2014 They are threatening us in the control tower at Kiev airport. 11:48 – 17 de jul. de 2014 The B777 plane flew escorted by Ukraine jet fighter until 2 minutes before disappearing from the radar. 11:54 – 17 de jul. de 2014 2 jet fighters flew very close minutes before; wasn’t downed by a fighter. 12:01 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Shot down by Kiev. Here we know it and military air traffic control also. 13:31 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Military confirm It was Ukraine, but still does not know where the order came from. 15:26 – 17 de jul. de 2014 The report indicates where the missile had come out [from], and specified it is not from the rebel areas. 16:06 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Military commanders here (ATC) control tower, confirm that the missile is from the Ukranian army. ___________________________ Quo Bono? This is probably the most important question of all, and the most crucial aspect of that is are they mad enough to do it, as most people wrongly focus on if a side was bad enough to do it. The Ukrainian's and the West have far more to gain from staging this event, than the rebels and Russian's. It's a good way to increase the cold war rhetoric and try to isolate it and put more sanctions on Russia. Like with Obama's Executive Order which banned imports of AK47's. If the Russian's did it, wouldn't they increase their rhetoric about wanting to intervene in the conflict? Which to me looks inevitable at some point, and I doubt Putin would need a false flag to justify an invasion like he needed with Chechnya. As for my own theory I think it most likely had something to do with the BRICS meeting the day beforehand. They set up their own bank to rival the IMF, which is funding the Nazi regime in Ukraine. The dollar standard is slipping and the people who own the Federal Reserve know it. The big worry is are they willing to start WW3 to protect it. After all, they went to war with Iraq and Libya to protect the petro dollar status, and it's the reason why we've had such strong anti-Iranian rhetoric over the years. I think the answer is most likely they won't start WW3. I think there plan will be to let the current system collapse and try and try and replace it with a new system which is favourable to them, but there is no knowing what will truly happen. Edited July 20, 2014 by Fotbawmad 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ned Nederlander Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 I want to make it clear when the event first happened there was a lot of speculation and misinformation, which always happens during these tragedies. There was speculation like an attempted assassination on Putin and even killing a passenger because they recently found a cure for cancer When it comes to spotting false flags, the first thing I look out for is the authorities quick to blame or bring forward an agenda. When it was not clear what happened or who done it (like with the 3 Israeli teenagers a few weeks ago). Then you want to look to see if any dodgy legislation gets passed by government shortly afterwards, because the chances are that bill was written weeks, months or years beforehand. Government investigations are notoriously slow and careful. Meaning something of this magnitude would usually take months and sometimes years to complete, and all the evidence would be released to the public afterwards. When I first heard about the crash. My first instinct was to question why an airliner would fly over such a region? Then it was to question if it malfunctioned and crashed or was it shot down? If it was shot down, then by whom? Did they shoot it down by accident? If not why? As for flying over such a region it turns out the Ukrainian authorities diverted it over the region and then told it to lower it's altitude by 2000 feet. It was definitely shot down, it was confirmed the plane was in full working order beforehand. The evidence points towards the Ukrainian's doing it, with the intention of blaming it on the Russian's It was definitely not an accident. Why? Because audio between a "supposed" rebel commander and Russian general. Talking about the event after it just happened, was time stamped the day beforehand. Not only that, an independent expert confirmed the file had two different audio streams. Proving it had been edited. Lastly, I'm pretty sure such high level people like that would have their phone calls encrypted. To me the most damning evidence of all is the tweets coming out from the Spanish air traffic controller, which were deleted not long after, but you can't delete truly delete something once it's uploaded online. _________________________- 0:21 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Kiev Authorities, trying to make it look like an attack by pro-Russians. 10:25 – 17 de jul. de 2014 [Miitary] has taken control of Air Traffic Control in Kiev. 0:35 – 17 de jul. de 2014 They are threatening us in the control tower at Kiev airport. 11:48 – 17 de jul. de 2014 The B777 plane flew escorted by Ukraine jet fighter until 2 minutes before disappearing from the radar. 11:54 – 17 de jul. de 2014 2 jet fighters flew very close minutes before; wasn’t downed by a fighter. 12:01 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Shot down by Kiev. Here we know it and military air traffic control also. 13:31 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Military confirm It was Ukraine, but still does not know where the order came from. 15:26 – 17 de jul. de 2014 The report indicates where the missile had come out [from], and specified it is not from the rebel areas. 16:06 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Military commanders here (ATC) control tower, confirm that the missile is from the Ukranian army. ___________________________ Quo Bono? This is probably the most important question of all, and the most crucial aspect of that is are they mad enough to do it, as most people wrongly focus on if a side was bad enough to do it. The Ukrainian's and the West have far more to gain from staging this event, than the rebels and Russian's. It's a good way to increase the cold war rhetoric and try to isolate it and put more sanctions on Russia. Like with Obama's Executive Order which banned imports of AK47's. If the Russian's did it, wouldn't they increase their rhetoric about wanting to intervene in the conflict? Which to me looks inevitable at some point, and I doubt Putin would need a false flag to justify an invasion like he needed with Chechnya. As for my own theory I think it most likely had something to do with the BRICS meeting the day beforehand. They set up their own bank to rival the IMF, which is funding the Nazi regime in Ukraine. The dollar standard is slipping and the people who own the Federal Reserve know it. The big worry is are they willing to start WW3 to protect it. After all, they went to war with Iraq and Libya to protect the petro dollar status, and it's the reason why we've had such strong anti-Iranian rhetoric over the years. I think the answer is most likely they won't start WW3. I think there plan will be to let the current system collapse and try and try and replace it with a new system which is favourable to them, but there is no knowing what will truly happen. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AberdeenBud Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Nurse!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEETHING Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Quo Bono? It's "cui bono" you utter cretin. Cicero4lyfe 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helpma Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 It's "cui bono" you utter cretin. Cicero4lyfe tbh, that was the part of his post which was closest to being correct. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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