gazelle Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 So just how important is democracy? Should we decide who runs our country and all aspects of it or should we allow people from another country with different interests to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YassinMoutaouakil Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForzaDundee Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 Yes. f**k the Queen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confidemus Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 Oui. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Thompson Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 So just how important is democracy? Should we decide who runs our country and all aspects of it or should we allow people from another country with different interests to? I've come to the conclusion that its the only thing that really matters. Nothing is going to happen that is so drastic that its going to, significantly, affect our day to day lives or the overall economy. What currency we use, how much oil is left and all the other, so-called, important questions are fairly irrelevant. The only question is do we want to govern ourselves or do we want to continue to be governed by Westminster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LinkinFighter Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 Will be interested in the No voters opinion on this issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubbs Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 Its dead easy - democratically Scotland has been content to be part of the UK and when it democratically voted to have a referendum on the continuation (or not) this was delivered. If we democratically decide to keep the current system then that is democracy in action, it really is that easy. The democratic deficit is the SNP led Scottish Government proposing to have a mandate post a yes to implement policies that were never part of the remit of their election mandate which was strictly in terms of powers devolved to Scotland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confidemus Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 Its dead easy - democratically Scotland has been content to be part of the UK and when it democratically voted to have a referendum on the continuation (or not) this was delivered. If we democratically decide to keep the current system then that is democracy in action, it really is that easy. The democratic deficit is the SNP led Scottish Government proposing to have a mandate post a yes to implement policies that were never part of the remit of their election mandate which was strictly in terms of powers devolved to Scotland. Can someone translate this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
git-intae-thum Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 Its dead easy - democratically Scotland has been content to be part of the UK and when it democratically voted to have a referendum on the continuation (or not) this was delivered. If we democratically decide to keep the current system then that is democracy in action, it really is that easy. The democratic deficit is the SNP led Scottish Government proposing to have a mandate post a yes to implement policies that were never part of the remit of their election mandate which was strictly in terms of powers devolved to Scotland. I can kind of see where you are coming from with this but in the end it is failed logic.The democratic mandate for the current Scottish government to negotiate terms of independence will come direct from the people in the referendum. We are voting for them to negotiate based on the principles expressed within the white paper. After negotiations are concluded it is important to have an election as quickly as possible. A boon for all the Salmond loathers. An opportunity to turf him out of office at the height of his political career. It would be like Churchill and Atlee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 Can someone translate this? too wee too poor or i hate salmond Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confidemus Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 too wee too poor or i hate salmond His wife's old isn't she? Probably fat as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bairn Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 Salmond married his wife when he was 27 and she was 44. Cougar imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 Can someone translate this? No other party is limited to their election manifesto should they gain power apart from the SNP, apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 So just how important is democracy? Should we decide who runs our country and all aspects of it or should we allow people from another country with different interests to? Are you advocating withdrawal from the EU, Nato etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaikuHibee Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 Are you advocating withdrawal from the EU, Nato etc? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-28672286 http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/main-topics/politics/boris-plans-westminster-return-as-bookies-slash-odds-on-him-leading-tories-1-6770564 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubbs Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 No other party is limited to their election manifesto should they gain power apart from the SNP, apparently. Its not about the content of their manifesto; its about the context of their election taking place in respect only of the powers devolved to Scotland - nothing else; and the referendum being simply a yes or no to independence with no reference or mandate being made by the people in respect of any party, manifesto or white paper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazelle Posted August 6, 2014 Author Share Posted August 6, 2014 Are you advocating withdrawal from the EU, Nato etc? No and no. Although you know how ridiculous that comparison is yourself. Here is a clip of UKIPs Coburn being asked to simply name 1 of these crazy EU rules. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-27575199 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blaven Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 I don't know. Part of me feels we should let Donald Trump tell us what to do. His descendants will look after us for generations to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 The only question is do we want to govern ourselves or do we want to continue to be governed by Westminster. I really wish we'd stop working with this false equivalence. It also makes assumptions we shouldn't take for granted. The alternative is not "govern ourselves or be governed by Westminster". The choice must either be understood as: 1. Be governed by Holyrood only or be governed by a mixture of Holyrood and Westminster Or: 2. Decide that "we" should be Scotland for all purposes of statehood and subsidiary governance or that "we" are Scotland for some purposes and Britain for others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wirez Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 I really wish we'd stop working with this false equivalence. It also makes assumptions we shouldn't take for granted. The alternative is not "govern ourselves or be governed by Westminster". The choice must either be understood as: 1. Be governed by Holyrood only or be governed by a mixture of Holyrood and Westminster Or: 2. Decide that "we" should be Scotland for all purposes of statehood and subsidiary governance or that "we" are Scotland for some purposes and Britain for others. Your Scottish party leader sees a flaw in this logic And he's right, there would be nothing we could do about it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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