Michael W Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 The NHS and some of the disgraceful scaremongering over it will be a big part of the debate tonight. The Yes scaremongering is starting to fall apart under scrutiny, with Salmond and Sturgeon being noted as showing support for the TTIP EU/US agreement which the Yes campaign claim is going to lead to the NHS being privatised. Then there are the laughable comments of Dr Whitford... Unfortunately for Darling, Andy Burnham has been adopting the same disgraceful tactics of fear to try and stop people in marginal seats voting Tory in 2015. Attacking Salmond's nonsense over the NHS is therefore going to end up putting him on the spot - will he rubbish his own party? The best he can do is state Scotland's NHS is separate and any privatisation is the choice of the devolved government. He could also highlight the fact that NHS spending has been ring fenced from 'Tory cuts' and has actually increased. Dismissing some of the alarmist nonsense is going to be difficult for him thanks to Burnham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFC90 Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 I really don't think it would be wise for Salmond to mention Iceland I agree with the above though. I was a bit disappointed that they seem to have chunked up this debate into quarters, one of which was the economy. I know Salmond has already said "I made an arse of it last time... I want to have another go" but I can't see it being anything other than groundhog day. What's wrong with Iceland ? They jailed the bankers and politicians and have had far better growth than most since the recession. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Can you elaborate on this? How do you imagine it would be done? Well, it would involve being less bogged down in the details of independence, and play more on the less tangible elements of it. The whole question of nationhood you see the thicker members of this board espouse that not being a sovereign state in some ways diminishes being Scottish. Appeal to people on an emotional level, rather than a rational one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 The NHS and some of the disgraceful scaremongering over it will be a big part of the debate tonight. The Yes scaremongering is starting to fall apart under scrutiny, with Salmond and Sturgeon being noted as showing support for the TTIP EU/US agreement which the Yes campaign claim is going to lead to the NHS being privatised. Then there are the laughable comments of Dr Whitford... Unfortunately for Darling, Andy Burnham has been adopting the same disgraceful tactics of fear to try and stop people in marginal seats voting Tory in 2015. Attacking Salmond's nonsense over the NHS is therefore going to end up putting him on the spot - will he rubbish his own party? The best he can do is state Scotland's NHS is separate and any privatisation is the choice of the devolved government. He could also highlight the fact that NHS spending has been ring fenced from 'Tory cuts' and has actually increased. Dismissing some of the alarmist nonsense is going to be difficult for him thanks to Burnham. Yeah, it's an interesting one, as I don't see either of them being on strong ground here. I guess Salmond may hope that people will see the headlines and not actually look at the substance of them which as you say fall apart in a breeze. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quentin Taranbino Posted August 25, 2014 Author Share Posted August 25, 2014 The broadcast will be split up into four sections.... SECTION ONE: Opening statements - Alex Salmond will go first, Alistair Darling second. (Mr Salmond won the coin toss and elected to go first). SECTION TWO: The issues- The two men will debate four topics titled; Economy Scotland at Home Scotland in the World What Happens after the Vote (Each will be introduced with a question from the audience.) SECTION THREE: Cross-examination - Alistair Darling will go first, Alex Salmond second. (Mr Darling won the coin toss and elected to go first). SECTION FOUR: Closing statements - Alex Salmond will go first, Alistair Darling second. (Mr Darling opted to go second). Do you think they actually physically flipped a coin or just a computer randomly selection? I'm getting to the heart of the big issues here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capybara Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Snore fest or riveting? Is the NHS a scare tactic? Salmond needs to "win" I guess. Still I cannot see a banana skin . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottR96 Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Time is this on at? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MassiveFanDan Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 8.30. PM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 From what I've heard Darling is going after the REAL project fear tonight. Could secure a 60% No vote I suspect he will push on the £4 billion shortfall that the SG's budget has based on their crap estimates of oil revenue for 2013/14. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casual Bystander Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Eyebrows McGee and the Bitter Together campaign are so entrenched in project fear that I full expect him to take off the mask he's wearing and pronounce that he's Alex Salmond's father. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Eyebrows McGee and the Bitter Together campaign are so entrenched in project fear that I full expect him to take off the mask he's wearing and pronounce that he's Alex Salmond's father. Should it not be turned around? I thought Salmond was the Sith Lord. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casual Bystander Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Continue the analogy; there are those fighting for freedom, an end to tyranny and the triumph of good over evil, then there is the Bitter Together campaign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casual Bystander Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 This or the Man City v Liverpool game? Tough choice... Not. More interested in England? Sounds like a No voter to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaikuHibee Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 He could also highlight the fact that NHS spending has been ring fenced from 'Tory cuts' and has actually increased. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/you-have-cut-spending-on-nhs-official-stats-watchdog-embarrasses-cameron-8382223.html http://www.theguardian.com/healthcare-network/2014/jul/30/finance-managers-speak-out-cuts-nhs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRob72 Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 I don't have any BBC channel whatsoever.. It's on SKY news Ch 501 mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blaven Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 I don't have any BBC channel whatsoever.. Hmmm i had to retune my channels there, all my bbc channels had totally disappeared. Was that on peasant telly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 I hope this is a vast improvement on the last debate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 I hope this is a vast improvement on the last debate That wouldn't be difficult. I'm taping it - her indoors is sitting watching Corrie. >_> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LinkinFighter Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Plan b mentioned already Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Awful opening speech from Darling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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