All things Dundee FC

[Luke Newman]

1 hour ago, Der Panzer said:

 

I also heard you can specialise as a linesman and milk it for longer albeit at a reduced rate. 

I would hate to be a linesman without VAR as it is even harder than refereeing. The premiership linesman have it easy.

[Fifespud]

1 hour ago, This Charming Man said:

A young man in goalkeeping terms, 24 years of age making his way in the game, head and shoulders to any competition he has at the club and all I hear is criticism?

Unless we sign a superior keeper which obviously won't happen, let's support him until he at least has better protection on a consistent basis in front of him.

We did not lose on Saturday due to one goalkeeping error for 2-1 and what should have been a late undeserved consolation goal, not an overall complete team meltdown! 

Over to you Tony Doc as always.

 

Carson should be coming in now imho. If McGhee is fit he comes in, and I’d have him replacing Portales. 
Don’t really care who plays RB. Ingram maybe deserves another chance if he doesn’t have clown shoes inside him. 
I thought we were really good for the first 40 minutes on Saturday, like it was coming together a bit and a couple of tweaks might make all the difference. 

[Ludo*1]

3 hours ago, This Charming Man said:

 

Unless we sign a superior keeper

We've already got one IMO.

[Eednud]

Losing form being 2 or in this case 3 goals ahead is not new. Must be an October thing although this was 8 October 1938 during first ever season in a lower division.

[DeeTillEhDeh]

Some of the older players need to step up when we lose a goal.  They need to take more responsibility for players to keep the head instead of having a collective arse collapse.

We also need to shitfest a lot more than we are doing - taking time on goal kicks etc to wind down the clock, staying down if injured etc.

[Girth]

On a plus point, I think Adewumi looks like a player. 

Any other fans of his work?

Thank you. 

[Fifespud]

1 hour ago, Girth said:

On a plus point, I think Adewumi looks like a player. 

Any other fans of his work?

Thank you. 

Me, defo. 

[Fifespud]

There are folk, especially on the DB’s saying recruitment has been poor. Robertson, Fraser, Murray, Larkeche, Billy, Adewumi, SPH all look like decent signings to me. Most people wee overjoyed when we signed McCracken too - not me, I saw enough flapjack like stuff from him last season, although I’m not totally rearing him up for shitey paper. 
To be fully proven but recruitment looks half decent to me. 

[johnnydun]

First post since that result.

Still f**kin' fuming.

Thank you.

[Girth]

12 minutes ago, johnnydun said:

First post since that result.

Still f**kin' fuming.

Thank you.

[Bigmouth Strikes Again]

16 hours ago, This Charming Man said:

A young man in goalkeeping terms, 24 years of age making his way in the game, head and shoulders to any competition he has at the club and all I hear is criticism?

Unless we sign a superior keeper which obviously won't happen, let's support him until he at least has better protection on a consistent basis in front of him.

We did not lose on Saturday due to one goalkeeping error for 2-1 and what should have been a late undeserved consolation goal, not an overall complete team meltdown! 

Over to you Tony Doc as always.

 

He needs dropped. IMO. Thats two games in a row he's flogged a goal, he doesn't let that weak shot squirm underneath him, and we win that game, Killie were getting nowhere up until then, had an argument with the guy in front on Sat about this as well.

You could argue thats 4 points he's cost us over two games, when you take into account the weak Aberdeen shot/goal.

3 hours ago, Girth said:

On a plus point, I think Adewumi looks like a player. 

Any other fans of his work?

Thank you. 

Agree, really like the look of him, fast, great touch, would like to see him start give Tiff a bit of a rest.

Thank you.

[Spikethedee]

Had a quiet day at work, so had a look at our league results since Doc took over. (Apologies for the Boredom Guy-like post coming up...)

We have dropped 30 points since the start of last season from games where we were in the lead at any point.

I took a look to see if we were leading at 4 arbitrary points as well, (as scoring in the fifth minute and then conceding in the 28th minute (for example) isn't the same as losing last-minute goals). I chose half-time, then at 60 minutes, 80 minutes and at any point from 90th minute onwards.

We lost 24 points after leading at half time.

We lost 21 points after leading at 60 minutes.

We lost 9 points after leading at 80 minutes.

We lost 8 points after leading at any point in injury time.

I also looked at the time we conceded the goals that either brought our opponents level, or took the lead, to see when we were conceding vital goals.

9 goals were in the 80th minute or later, with another 3 in the 74th minute or later.

 

I suppose the 90+ minute goals are the most galling and tend to stick in the memory more, but it appears that we are also very vulnerable between 60-80 minutes.

So, stats are there to be interpreted any way you wish, but it does seem to be a depressingly poor record.

Edited October 8 by Spikethedee

[Boo Khaki]

@Spikethedee

This is why I'm not accepting any claim that it's the players to blame.

On Saturday the only players on the pitch at full time who were at the club last season were Cameron, Portales, and McCracken.

Tiffoney and Sylla participated earlier but can't be blamed for the collapse.

We lose leads in exactly the same way regardless of who is on the pitch. It's entirely on Doc. He hasn't the first clue how to take the sting out of a game, shitfest, slow a game down, or defend a lead without inviting endless pressure. We sit so deep with nothing in front of the backline that it just becomes a question of when, not if, the opponent gets to the byline, and then the entire team is faced with trying to defend while facing their own goal.

He puts them in an impossible position every single time. It's not like we're just trying to see out the last 2 or 3 minutes. If we're ahead 2-0 with half an hour to go it starts right there and then. The opposition scoring is inevitable. You can't play like that for 20 or 30 minutes at a time.

[Dundee-FC92]

21 hours ago, This Charming Man said:

A young man in goalkeeping terms, 24 years of age making his way in the game, head and shoulders to any competition he has at the club and all I hear is criticism?

Unless we sign a superior keeper which obviously won't happen, let's support him until he at least has better protection on a consistent basis in front of him.

We did not lose on Saturday due to one goalkeeping error for 2-1 and what should have been a late undeserved consolation goal, not an overall complete team meltdown! 

Over to you Tony Doc as always.

 

There was still 10 minutes to go when McCracken conceded the first goal. Can't see in any way how that can be a consilation goal. 

If he holds that shot we don't lost; simple as that for me. Carson was outstading at the start of last season then played with an injury where he himself began to make mistakes on a game by game basis. Having been dropped and undergone surgery it's time for him to be brought back in to the starting line up at Motherwell. 

This would also be a shot in the arm for McCracken. Any successful team needs players to realise if they fall below the necessary standards there's an adequate replacement waiting to take their place. 

Thank you. 

 

Thank you. 

Edited October 8 by Dundee-FC92

[Fifespud]

4 hours ago, Boo Khaki said:

@Spikethedee

This is why I'm not accepting any claim that it's the players to blame.

On Saturday the only players on the pitch at full time who were at the club last season were Cameron, Portales, and McCracken.

Tiffoney and Sylla participated earlier but can't be blamed for the collapse.

We lose leads in exactly the same way regardless of who is on the pitch. It's entirely on Doc. He hasn't the first clue how to take the sting out of a game, shitfest, slow a game down, or defend a lead without inviting endless pressure. We sit so deep with nothing in front of the backline that it just becomes a question of when, not if, the opponent gets to the byline, and then the entire team is faced with trying to defend while facing their own goal.

He puts them in an impossible position every single time. It's not like we're just trying to see out the last 2 or 3 minutes. If we're ahead 2-0 with half an hour to go it starts right there and then. The opposition scoring is inevitable. You can't play like that for 20 or 30 minutes at a time.

There were some glaring errors imo. Bringing on Astley, in a position which is not his own, when he’s barely played a minute this season, was plain crazy. I know Ingram had been weak and made mistakes, but that was unfair to Astley and to the rest of the team. 
Leaving Cameron on was another massive mistake. He just offers nothing defensively, and everyone who watches us knows that. 
He’s still the right man for the job though. 

[Luke Newman]

Luke Graham is so good. He looks so confident and like a leader. The ball just came into him and he's just chopped it behind his standing leg and beat his man. Every header is a pass too. He won't be at Dens for long. English Championship/Prem player in the future. He'd walk into our team now if we recalled him.

[ravabelli]

9 minutes ago, Fifespud said:

There were some glaring errors imo. Bringing on Astley, in a position which is not his own, when he’s barely played a minute this season, was plain crazy. I know Ingram had been weak and made mistakes, but that was unfair to Astley and to the rest of the team. 
Leaving Cameron on was another massive mistake. He just offers nothing defensively, and everyone who watches us knows that. 
He’s still the right man for the job though. 

He threw Ingram under the bus there and at 2-2 he’d have been better leaving him on and hooking a forward if he was bringing Astley on to help shore things up. Poor management all round there, throwing a defender on for another defender didn’t change anything shape wise and torpedoed Ingrams confidence through the floor, guy was devastated when he came off

[Luke Newman]

13 minutes ago, ravabelli said:

He threw Ingram under the bus there and at 2-2 he’d have been better leaving him on and hooking a forward if he was bringing Astley on to help shore things up. Poor management all round there, throwing a defender on for another defender didn’t change anything shape wise and torpedoed Ingrams confidence through the floor, guy was devastated when he came off

I'm sure it was at 1-0 up he called Astley over to come on but then we scored the 2nd and he kept Ingram on. I might have been wrong at to which point in the game it was but a goal changed the managers mind. I'm sure it was at 1-0 up that he was going to come on at.

[Ludo*1]

 

[Doormin]

Come on Gio. Get yourself up the high corner for the ol' hauf n hauf wi the other old boys and enjoy yer twilight years.