Thumper Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 No need to be rude. It's nothing personal. The Lib Dems are polling at 2% nationally, and this is going to be one of the few genuine marginals on the day: I genuinely can't see anyone who isn't on his Christmas card list choosing to vote them them in that constituency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 My union donated £1 million to the Labour Party just a month and a half ago. Looser, yes, but difficult to argue that they aren't still closely linked and don't hold a lot of influence. They are probably the main reason we have Ed not David as leader. On that, what's your view in the whole Ed/David debate. Do you think David might lead the party in tr future? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 So because our philosophy has adapted to modern society we can no longer talk about things our party previously did? No you can't implore people to vote for your party by saying you're the party of Keir Hardie or the party who created the welfare state when your own MPs have nothing in common with those who did. You also have Labour members such as Ed Balls who proclaim themselves to be socialists when they're nothing of the sort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gullane No 4 Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 What is the problem with you Scots? It's not as if anyone in the rest of the UK actively tries to piss you all off. Yet you appear to have a serious chip on your shoulder? Why? 1st April Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmothecat Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 On that, what's your view in the whole Ed/David debate. Do you think David might lead the party in tr future? No, that ship has sailed I think. Pity as I think he would have been good. I'm really not sure who will take over from Ed. If there's a new leader after this election there are no real stand out candidates. A fair few potentials, but all seem to have a bit of a lack of experience. Andy Burnham seems most likely, he's sort of shifted his politics somewhat leftwards over the last couple of years, possibly in an attempt to win over the party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gullane No 4 Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 As one of many who lost their jobs as a direct action of the first miners strike [3 day week]. I stopped voting for Labour and never started again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm Brian Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 My union donated £1 million to the Labour Party just a month and a half ago. Looser, yes, but difficult to argue that they aren't still closely linked and don't hold a lot of influence. They are probably the main reason we have Ed not David as leader. Yes they still have close links, but they are getting more distant every time reform within the Labour Party happens. Ed was elected by the unions unquestionably, but he has since tried to wash his hands of them. Hardly surprising from a man who stabbed his own brother in the back to get to the top. Is it any wonder the SNP Trade union group is growing substantially, to the point that it has more members than the Labour Party Scotland Branch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Just listened to a few interviews on bbc radio Scotland from people in Carlisle. Still getting 'I don't think it's fair that the SNP will possibly influence the outcome of the election for people in England, people in England won't like that' Well tough fucking titties, us having our say for once and everybody is seething about it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuzzyAffro Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 I can only judge him from what he puts online. If xbl wants to claim he behaved differently in his 'politics degree', then fine. I have 'behaved' just fine thanks. We have rules, I haven't broken them ergo I'm still here. Trolling roasters like you coming on here every day to derail political talk in another country, amongst nativesand residents of that country, deserve to be talked like the trolls they are. I would also add Mr Hypocrite, if you had come on my course and spouted facile, idiotic, easily transparent nonsense. Doing so every day to anyone who will listen. Then refused to justify your reasoning for doing so, instead attacking those who challeneged your nonsense....you really would have been laughed out of the room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quentin Taranbino Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 XBL -you admitted to me on PM the other year during one of the forum games that you don't actually have a degree in politics and you made it up but you said you can't backtrack now so you are just going with it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 XBL -you admitted to me on PM the other year during one of the forum games that you don't actually have a degree in politics and you made it up but you said you can't backtrack now so you are just going with it Aye it's really a doctorate in astrophysics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuzzyAffro Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Why does a political party have to remain true to the 'principles' on which it was founded? Sticking to a set of ideas founded over a century ago which have little relevance to contemporary politics and modern society would leave the Labour Party as irrelevant as the Socialist Workers Party. Politics has changed, democratic socialism has changed and Labour have changed, I see nothing wrong with that. The basic premise of the party hasn't changed, we are still a democratic socialist party, we still have strong and close links with the unions, but have managed to do so without becoming unelectable or an irrelevance. Words only a Labour zombie could utter. What's the point otherwise? Why bother? If you don't stick to your principles then you're only doing it for power. You're supposed to be in politics to enact your value system not win. And to think you even typed principles as 'principles' as if you're disgusted to even have to confront them is hilarious. You are, if I'm being very kind to you here, getting confused between principles and policies. A party's policies can change, but if their principles do they are not the same party anymore. The principles are the ogranising factor of any political party, that's what brings all those people together shared principles and values. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTG Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 So because our philosophy has adapted to modern society we can no longer talk about things our party previously did? Fair to say it hasn't adapted to modern scottish society and it's about to get its arse felt as a result. What we cannot judge - because no credible option exists - is whether it would also get its tatties handed to it in England if a genuine socialist option existed. I suspect not and that is one reason why the union of these countries is on its arse and will break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTG_03 Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Just seen a Lib Dem political broadcast on stv. A man driving with a kid in the back, turn left for snp/labour crippling debts, turn right for tories to destroy the NHS etc etc. Nothing about policies at all. A sad state of affairs for the Lib Dems brought upon themselves by selling their political soul at the first whiff of power. An altogether uninspiring broadcast from an altogether uninspiring party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Labour are my party and their current position, moderately left of centre, is where my political beliefs lie. lol wut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Can anyone explain to me why during a Westminster GE parties such as the Labour, LD, Tories can make party political broadcasts under the "Scottish Labour/LD/Tory" banner when no such party exists or is even standing for seats at the election? According to the parliament website, guys like Jim Murphy are not representing "Scottish" Labour http://www.parliament.uk/biographies/commons/mr-jim-murphy/595 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 The Labour party in the mid 90s followed the thatcher model of neoliberalism and has never looked back. The city is king, and everything else is of secondary concern. Earlier in the thread they were described as social democratic (these days). If that's the case then I need to get myself a new dictionary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuzzyAffro Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 The Labour party in the mid 90s followed the thatcher model of neoliberalism and has never looked back. The city is king, and everything else is of secondary concern. Earlier in the thread they were described as social democratic (these days). If that's the case then I need to get myself a new dictionary. Indeed. It was Labour that championed 'light-touch regulation' and PFI has indebted future generations to the tune of hundreds of billions when the same services could have been delivered for a fraction of the cost. They renationalised nothing, and every year they were in power the gap between rich and poor got bigger. Remember Mandleson saying he was 'extraordinarily comfortable with people getting filthy rich'? Well that's New Labour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Can anyone explain to me why during a Westminster GE parties such as the Labour, LD, Tories can make party political broadcasts under the "Scottish Labour/LD/Tory" banner when no such party exists or is even standing for seats at the election? According to the parliament website, guys like Jim Murphy are not representing "Scottish" Labour http://www.parliament.uk/biographies/commons/mr-jim-murphy/595 The registered political party with the Electoral Commission that fields candidates in Scotland for the Liberal Democrats is the Scottish Liberal Democrats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Politics is such an ugly business and Ed Milliband is just too ugly to become Prime Minister. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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