WhiteRoseKillie Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 That is debatable. They are getting looser and more distant as the years go on. It's not debatable, it's bollox. Not once have I heard as senior Labour voice reply to taunts from the Tories about "Union Paymasters" with the appropriate response, which is "Fucking right, as they're a different part of the same movement. Now about the tax avoiders and non-Doms who fund you lot..." Labour have become embarrassed by their connection to the TU movement. Well, that runs both ways. I'm embarrassed by the suggestion that I and my colleagues are associated in any way with the principle-free careerists who have helped the Tories put the working class back in their box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FinnesTON Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 As I said before it was Blair/Brown that introduced the minimum wage and tax credits for poorer families which have been a massive help to people . Blair was an excellent prime minister who will be remembered for making one bad foreign policy decision. You do know that the low pay unit when setting the NMW proposed a rate of about £8 and with a triple lock similar to pensions at the introduction what we got was an artificially low wage rate that does not sustain the reality of the cost of basis subsistence this is obfuscated by working tax credits so the exploitation of low wages by private enterprize is being funded by the taxpayer. It is a shit system cobbled together to appease an election promise but the reality is that it has created a bigger divide and induced a hopeless cycle of poverty. If we placed the onus on those who require labour rather than condoning the exploitation of workers. When The defended the banks and punished the people for that then the concern was not the individual but the institutions of wealth. As a socialist I wouldn't piss on the Labour Party if it was on fire, you only have to look at Dennis Canavan v Eric Joyce to see where they went wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaikuHibee Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Beeb in campaign mode. Now's when their bias kicks in. Constant Labour stories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Beeb in campaign mode. Now's when their bias kicks in. Constant Labour stories. Detest the BBC and Labour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Do you honestly think it was his decision and his alone? There is a concept within government of collective responsibility. Have you never heard of it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Not really. I only have here to judge when it comes to him. If he behaved like a normal person at uni, then fine, but I can't judge him on that. But you're happy to compare him to people who you have no idea how they behaved outside of the classroom. And you've no idea why that's a bad idea. f**k me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuzzyAffro Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Go easy on him, its tough being a citizen of the world man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Need my Scottish poll fix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 I'll start Cash for Honours. Anyone else want to chip in with what he will be remembered for Here is my top 10 not in any order. 1. "Comfort letters" to terrorists 2. Shaking the hand of Muammar Gaddafi 3. Cool Britannia 4. HIs attempt to abolish the Lord Chancellor 5. Lack of Border Controls, exit checks and actually knowing who is in the country. 6. Allowing the de-regulation of the banks that allowed the financial sector to grow to 4 1/2 times the size of the country's GDP. 7. Paying kids to stay as school 8. ID Cards 9. NHS IT system failure. 10. Scrapping the CSA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crùbag Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 The Labour party in the mid 90s followed the thatcher model of neoliberalism and has never looked back. The city is king, and everything else is of secondary concern. Earlier in the thread they were described as social democratic (these days). If that's the case then I need to get myself a new dictionary. This was when Labour 'conferences' were influenced less by the Unions and more by the sponsors and stall-holders which included such progressive entities as BNFL and RioTinto Zinc. Current day Labour MPs are masters of the zero-hour contracts, it seems. Can they get any more hypocritical? http://www.sunnation.co.uk/if-zero-hours-contracts-are-so-bad-how-come-these-68-labour-mps-used-them/?CMP=spklr-Editorial-TWITTER-SunNation-20150401-SunNation-163416812 Ian Murray and Magrit Curran in the list of shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuzzyAffro Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 This was when Labour 'conferences' were influenced less by the Unions and more by the sponsors and stall-holders which included such progressive entities as BNFL and RioTinto Zinc. Current day Labour MPs are masters of the zero-hour contracts, it seems. Can they get any more hypocritical? http://www.sunnation.co.uk/if-zero-hours-contracts-are-so-bad-how-come-these-68-labour-mps-used-them/?CMP=spklr-Editorial-TWITTER-SunNation-20150401-SunNation-163416812 Ian Murray and Magrit Curran in the list of shame. I'm afraid the Labour machine does not accept questioning. That may have been their position yesterday, but today is a new day and there's an election to be won. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmothecat Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 The National stealing headlines from The Sun's reject pile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 The National stealing headlines from The Sun's reject pile. ImageUploadedByPie & Bovril1427924231.195963.jpg Accurate headline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Accurate headline It's not, it should just say 'c***s' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorlomin Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Anyway is ad lib going to keep his deposit?? No lass will accept it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdgarusQPFC Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Im voting SNP regardless but ive really lost faith. Seeing all the bullshit we are forced to endure because of these no voting muppets who are now all pro SNP. Its like "how fucking idiotic are you? Did you honestly buy into that project fear shite and think we were better together? are you fucking blind to how badly you were fucked over when you voted no?" Every week it seems you are seeing a story from the project fear articles now coming true anyway, its fucking insulting to still be in this union and ive never had a problem with English people, i really havent but hearing close friends from England say that we shouldnt be allowed to vote SNP cause its not in the countries best interests and seeing all the rage over the SNP having a say in things just really disgusts me and if anything is gonna cause a bigger divide between both us and England than any independence vote every could. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerwickMad Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 But you're happy to compare him to people who you have no idea how they behaved outside of the classroom. And you've no idea why that's a bad idea. f**k me.If you want to try and win the Internet by refusing to acknowledge the point I was making, well done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Im voting SNP regardless but ive really lost faith. Seeing all the bullshit we are forced to endure because of these no voting muppets who are now all pro SNP. Its like "how fucking idiotic are you? Did you honestly buy into that project fear shite and think we were better together? are you fucking blind to how badly you were fucked over when you voted no?" Every week it seems you are seeing a story from the project fear articles now coming true anyway, its fucking insulting to still be in this union and ive never had a problem with English people, i really havent but hearing close friends from England say that we shouldnt be allowed to vote SNP cause its not in the countries best interests and seeing all the rage over the SNP having a say in things just really disgusts me and if anything is gonna cause a bigger divide between both us and England than any independence vote every could. A lot of people will be voting SNP but don't want Scotland to be Independent. I think some have come to conclusion that it's the best way to get Scotland's voice heard. Lets face it too, if Labour do end up in power, they'll probably need someone to hold their hand. Just laugh at anyone with those fears. Huge swaithes of England & Wales are voting for UKIP who are much more dangerous than the SNP, but I'm guessing people that are that way minded wont realise their stupidity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Need my Scottish poll fix Me too. I've became a poll junkie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 If you want to try and win the Internet by refusing to acknowledge the point I was making, well done. In order to make a point you must make a rational argument or provide evidence of your veracity. You have done neither. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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