The Master Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 The next Hollyrood elections are going to be very interesting, esp if Murphy stays on. Surely another whitewash(yellow-wash) is out of the question? There are currently 2 Labour MSP's for his old constituency. Is he going to tell one of them to move aside so he can take their spot and try for Hollyrood? He'll be put top of a list instead of competing for a constituency. There's no way he'll take the risk of not being elected (again). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thumper Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 He'll be put top of a list If he has to be forcibly removed from his current position, as the rumours suggest? You think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Master Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 If he has to be forcibly removed from his current position, as the rumours suggest? You think? The post I replied to did say "if Murphy stays on". If he remains as leader, I'm confident he'll top the list in either Glasgow or West Scotland. He'll justify it by saying it allows him to focus on the national campaign but everyone will know the real reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SodjesSixteenIncher Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 I was going to make a jibe about Jim outwitting the Labour party but in the process of double checking his quote, the juxtaposition of google results was much funnier than the joke I was going to make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Rational Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 It's going to take a while to get ole Jimbo out of the door I reckon. After all, it took Glasgow Uni 9 years.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul-r-cfc Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 It's going to take a while to get ole Jimbo out of the door I reckon. After all, it took Glasgow Uni 9 years.... STRATCHCLYDE! Don't go associating Glasgow with that p***k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 Jims on the phone right now "Ive an idea" after hearing about farage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim McLean's Ghost Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 For the record, as bad as Murphy's 6 months have been, two things to remember: Slab have no alternatives ready, willing and vaguely capable of taking on the SNP. Many will see this as the high water mark for the SNP. What is the point of bumping Murphy now, they are going to get horsed next year regardless. May as well keep him front and centre then pick over his corpse after the Holyrood wipeout. Will they even have 25 MSPs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oddly optomistic Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 Jims on the phone right now "Ive an idea" after hearing about farage ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bairn Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 As they did after the 2011 holyrood election. The SNP are only gaining in strength and popularity in Scotland and are probably one of the most talked about parties UK wide. I'd love to see a sister party set up in the north of England. Obviously with different aims, but with the same mantra. Imagine the block that could potentially be built up with that in mind. NS for prime minister. To be fair every time the SNP break new ground they seem to have a disappointment the next time. 2007 Scottish election/Glasgow east by-election/2009 Euros, followed by disappointing performance in 2010 GE 2011 Scottish election followed by disappointment in by-elections and the 2014 Euros, and the referendum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 To be fair every time the SNP break new ground they seem to have a disappointment the next time. 2007 Scottish election/Glasgow east by-election/2009 Euros, followed by disappointing performance in 2010 GE 2011 Scottish election followed by disappointment in by-elections and the 2014 Euros, and the referendum Which backs up my point that they've not hit their ceiling. Every time it looks like they have, had a set back, they've bounced back stronger. Not sure where they go from here right enough, but they're making very good noises about how they'll act at Westminster already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 Jims on the phone right now "Ive an idea" after hearing about farage They should tell him to put in his resignation letter and they'll reject it. Then go, "Sorry Jim, we've changed our mind" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milners Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 To be fair every time the SNP break new ground they seem to have a disappointment the next time. 2007 Scottish election/Glasgow east by-election/2009 Euros, followed by disappointing performance in 2010 GE 2011 Scottish election followed by disappointment in by-elections and the 2014 Euros, and the referendum 2014 Euros was the most votes they have ever got for a Euro Election. The referendum was always difficult considering at the start of the campaign they had 30% of the public wanting independence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuzzyAffro Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 As they did after the 2011 holyrood election. The SNP are only gaining in strength and popularity in Scotland and are probably one of the most talked about parties UK wide. I'd love to see a sister party set up in the north of England. Obviously with different aims, but with the same mantra. Imagine the block that could potentially be built up with that in mind. NS for prime minister. This is the high water mark for the SNP. You could live till you're a thousand years old you'll never see this again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 This is the high water mark for the SNP. You could live till you're a thousand years old you'll never see this again. Maintaining a majority in an electoral system that tries to stop that happening would be pretty special. Independence, achieving more powers etc. Whilst this is probably as good as it gets in terms of the number of elected mps, there's plenty to be achieved and they're in an amazing position to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuzzyAffro Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 Totally, but if independence is ever to be achieved majorities at HR in a system designed to prevent them are required. Its a long road yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 Not when the Greens also back a referendum - pro-indy parties will unquestionably retain and likely increase a majority for this policy after 2016. I'm also not sold by the idea that the SNP don't have the capacity to maintain this level of support - Labour's support collapsed across their entire heartland, where the SNP will be defending majorities in the region of 10,000 in 2020; it wasn't even a close run. There is plenty of work to be done demolishing the Labour vote to the same extent at Holyrood and at local authority level, and making sure that Scottish Labour becomes as lifeless as the Tories in terms of leadership, membership, activism and funding north of the border. Once all three main Unionist parties are turned into rump, zombie-like outfits then the road to independence is far more straightforward than it was in 2014. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuzzyAffro Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 Not when the Greens also back a referendum - pro-indy parties will unquestionably retain and likely increase a majority for this policy after 2016. I'm also not sold by the idea that the SNP don't have the capacity to maintain this level of support - Labour's support collapsed across their entire heartland, where the SNP will be defending majorities in the region of 10,000 in 2020; it wasn't even a close run. There is plenty of work to be done demolishing the Labour vote to the same extent at Holyrood and at local authority level, and making sure that Scottish Labour becomes as lifeless as the Tories in terms of leadership, membership, activism and funding north of the border. Once all three main Unionist parties are turned into rump, zombie-like outfits then the road to independence is far more straightforward than it was in 2014. I'm sorry but that's complete and utter nonsense. Its just a misunderstanding of the facts, do you actually understand how big a deal it was to win a majority in 2011? That was supposed to never happen, clever people who understand politics and voting systems designed Hoylrood specifically to prevent that ever happening. Its naive as f**k to assume it will definitely happen again and the majority will even be increased. That was earth shattering when we got a majority in 2011, absolutely stunning. Its not unrealistic to suggest that may never happen again. Your post is great, that's how I'd like to see things go too, but in reality its naive shite. That won't happen, the best bet the SNP have of independence is convincing one of the unionist parties to back it, then we can go into coalition with them in future to get a majority and have a referendum. The SNP on their own or with the Greens may never get another majority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Rational Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 Anyhow I see the turkeys have voted for Christmas. Jim 'herpes' Murphy stays as Labour leader. I for one am astonished.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 Anyhow I see the turkeys have voted for Christmas. Jim 'herpes' Murphy stays as Labour leader. I for one am astonished.... Just heard that. The fact the MSP are backing Jim clearly shows hes going to be shoehorned into the Holyrood next year, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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