Fotbawmad Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 You post a random graph with random red blobs scattered over the place and we're supposed to take this as a prime source of information? The Nazis were as far-right as you could get. Hilter did nothing to change that. As for Obama. His claim of being a Socialist is about as credible as Jim Murphy's. Hitler was a national socialist, the clue is in his parties name. The National Socialist German Workers Party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fotbawmad Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Nazi = Right Wing Socialist http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Party Right Wing Socialist = Conservative http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_socialism The Nazis were tories. "Nazi" was a propaganda term invented in the 1930's in order to demonize Germany. Hitler was most definitely left wing, he didn't believe in free markets or individual rights. He nationalized much of the industries. However, what can't be denied is his authoritarian and racist belief system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crùbag Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 "Nazi" was a propaganda term invented in the 1930's in order to demonize Germany. Hitler was most definitely left wing, he didn't believe in free markets or individual rights. He nationalized much of the industries. However, what can't be denied is his authoritarian and racist belief system. Hitler was supported by/ and supported the rich, the banks and major industrialists. He destroyed the parties and unions of the working classes. Instead of nationalising major companies, many thrived under his rule. Hugo Boss for one designed SS uniforms. Deutsche Bank collaborated with stealing Jewish loot. Just a few examples. Edit: after a quick search: Boss and the Nazis. Deutsche Bank and the Nazis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crùbag Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Interesting that the Ukip seem to behind the idea that Hitler was a socialist - at least their main man Daniel Hannan is. Something the less than left wing Daily Telegraph disputes: http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/timstanley/100261121/hitler-wasnt-a-socialist-stop-saying-he-was/ Oh dear, those libertarians. Why is Pie and Bovril suddenly becoming a magnet for libertarian loonies? My colleague Dan Hannan argues that Hitler was a socialist. It's a popular idea among libertarians, often used to shame the opposition – after all the Nazis did call themselves National Socialists. But, then again, Tony Blair once said he was a socialist, too. So labels can be misleading. That Hitler wasn't a socialist became apparent within weeks of becoming Chancellor of Germany when he started arresting socialists and communists. He did this, claim some, because they were competing brands of socialism. But that doesn't explain why Hitler defined his politics so absolutely as a war on Bolshevism – a pledge that won him the support of the middle-classes, industrialists and many foreign conservatives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky88 Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 If only Scotland had a governing party that wanted to introduce right wing policies like lowering corporation tax..... Maybe one day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaffenThinMint Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 "Nazi" was a propaganda term invented in the 1930's in order to demonize Germany. No it wasn't. Opponent of the Hitlerites had been calling them "Nazis" for well over a decade, certainly after the so-called Beer Hall putsch. It's Bavarian slang for a backward peasant. It was also antiquated slang for the predominant Jewish sect in Germany (& much of central Europe) at that time, the Ashkenazis, & so made for a good taunt by their opponents considering Hitler's ceaseless blaming of the Jews for everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Hitler was a national socialist, the clue is in his parties name. The National Socialist German Workers Party. Hitler was not a socialist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 If only Scotland had a governing party that wanted to introduce right wing policies like lowering corporation tax..... Maybe one day. Right-wing Labour did it twice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky88 Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Right-wing Labour did it twice.textbook whataboutery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bairn Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 "Far right" parties such as the British National Party and the Nazis in Germany typically go through the charade of claiming populist policies in certain areas in order to grab any power they can get their hands on. That's why they often appear to be socialist when really what they are is state controlled Fasco-Capitalists. Not entirely sure how Hitler's economics apply to modern day Scotland, though BTW there always needs to be some kind of centre-right government to support the supply side of the economy or the economy will never grow. That's why it's good that we have the Labour party parading as Socialists and the SNP's power restricted enough that they can't quite bring the Economy down with Holyrood's limited ability. We know the UK as a whole probably won't elect anything left of New Labour so the economy is pretty safe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 textbook whataboutery Textbook fact, chum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itzdrk Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Lol again. "Let's keep these non-profitable industries operating by taxing industries that are actually profitable and keeping them alive" 25% of companies in Scotland are already zombie companies, Jesus fucking Christ if these places were still being propped up by taxpayers I dread to think what kind of state the economy would be in. Face it, scrub, working class is dead and they need to wipe their tears and enter the modern world. Scottish football is a microcosm for Scotland itself, bunch of dewy eyed fools crying for the olden days and refusing to change along with the world. God help us all. #noscrubs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorlomin Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 WRT the Hitler "left\right" debate. The Nazis were an incoherent mess econmically, they had "left wing" factions like the Strasserites and right wing factions based around free trade or mercantalism. In power the free traders actually ran the place for a bit, they undertook the largest privitisations in pre war Europe. After the night of the long knives you could roughly say the mercantalists won, the industrialists who favoured protectionism. During the war they were all about centralisation so not too far from the UKs Conservatives and US Democrats in responding to the war.Nazism\facism was a reaction by conservatives to the growth in left wing popularity. Their claim was to meld the best of capitalism with the best of communism for the "good of the state". Many rich capitalists took up with them as they seen them as a way to stem the rise of the far left.People like Hannan pull the "Nazis were left wing" because they are children who cannot face up to their beloved right doing anything wrong and are too dimwitted to deal with the complexity of the 20\30s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 You post a random graph with random red blobs scattered over the place and we're supposed to take this as a prime source of information? The Nazis were as far-right as you could get. Hilter did nothing to change that. The holocaust didn't happen in facilities operated by independent private sector death camp franchises selected after a bidding process and subject to performance reviews so in economic terms at least they could have been further right. The point of the graph and presumably the post it came with isn't so much to give an authoritative definition of the politics of various historical figures but that it illustrates the limitations of a one dimensional analysis like the left-right spectrum in describing something as complex as political belief structures Of course a two dimensional illustration is still limited, for example it doesn't include politics based on race,religion etc. but it's an improvement on a simple one dimensional model. The graph isn't a proper answer but it should improve the questions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 'The clue is in the name' just like the Sun King Louis XIV was in fact King of the Sun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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