The 2016 US Presidential Election

[welshbairn]

Apologies, the joys of modern technology.

 

https://jgilhooley.wordpress.com/2016/05/17/the-rise-of-donald-trump-why-are-young-people-not-feeling-the-don/

 

The link attached should be take you to it now.

 

Feel free to give feedback!

 

I might read it if you hit it with a spell checker.

[Southside Hibee]

I might read it if you hit it with a spell checker.

 

Done.

[Johnstoun]

Strangely enough the last US president to sign an amnesty into law was R. Reagan.

[Southside Hibee]

Strangely enough the last US president to sign an amnesty into law was R. Reagan.

 

I believe that was for six million undocumented aliens; Reagan thought that the six million aliens were the last batch of illegals.

 

He later stated that it was his biggest regret signing the amnesty bill into law.

[Granny Danger]

I believe that was for six million undocumented aliens; Reagan thought that the six million aliens were the last batch of illegals.

 

He later stated that it was his biggest regret signing the amnesty bill into law.

That puts Roswell into context.

[Yank Mike]

You wildly exaggerated the effects of his executive order. Undocumented parents of children born in the USA, ie citizens according to the Constitution, who have lived in the USA for more than 5 years will have their deportation deferred for 3 years and will be permitted to work legally and pay their taxes.

Yes, the parents of US citizens were granted executive amnesty.

Also, all illegal aliens who entered the country before their 16th birthday.

That's millions of people, and it drove a massive influx of unaccompanied minors traveling through Mexico towards the US border with all the rape, extortion, and death which that trip entails. Of course a bunch of unskilled, uneducated young teenage boys who don't speak English were fertile recruits for existing Hispanic gangs and brought an increase in crime.

And it's clearly illegal by any plain reading of Presidential power.

The vast majority of Republicans are willing to go along with these moves in exchange for border security and decreased future legal immigration. Obama and the Democrats are not willing to compromise on the issue so they gave a big "f**k you" to basic concepts like the rule of law, the US Constitution, and the separation of powers. We know that Obama thinks his own action is illegal because he insisted that it was around a dozen times in public speeches up until he decided to do it anyways.

If what Obama did is legal than another President could legalize tax evasion, insider stock trading, bribery, unlimited direct campaign contributions, etc. Even murder in theory. It's a ridiculous road to go down.

 

 

Strangely enough the last US president to sign an amnesty into law was R. Reagan.

It was done in exchange for border security. We know how that turned out. Bush II offered an amnesty in exchange for more border security, an elimination of family reunification beyond the nuclear family, and the introduction of a points based immigration system for skilled immigration / temporary guest worker program for unskilled immigration. It was torpedoed by a coalition of the right and left. Conservative Republicans are determined not to repeat Reagan's mistake, and border security must be demonstrated before we deal with the illegals currently living here.

[Yank Mike]

Ann Coulter's latest.

 

TRUMP'S PROBLEM WITH WOMEN

The New York Times' front-page article last Saturday on Donald J. Trump's dealings with women forced me into a weekend of self-examination. As much as I support Trump, this isn't a cult of personality. He's not Mao, Kim Jong-un or L. Ron Hubbard. We can like our candidates, but still acknowledge their flaws. No one's perfect.

I admit there are some things about Trump that give me pause. I'm sure these will come out eventually, so I'm just going to list them.

First -- and this is corroborated by five contemporaneous witnesses -- in 1978, Trump violently raped Juanita Broaddrick in a Little Rock, Arkansas, hotel room, then, as he was leaving, looked at her bloody lip and said, "Better put some ice on that" -- oh wait, I'm terribly sorry. Did I say Trump? I didn't mean Trump, I meant Bill Clinton.

Hang on -- here we go! Knowing full well about Bill Clinton's proclivity to sexually assault women, about three weeks after that rape, Trump cornered Broaddrick at a party and said, pointedly, "I just want you to know how much Bill and I appreciate the things you do for him. Do you understand? Everything you do."

No! My mistake! That wasn't Trump either. That was Hillary Clinton. ... But this next one I'm sure was Trump.

In the early 1990s, Trump invited a young female staffer to his hotel room at the Excelsior Hotel in Little Rock, dropped his pants and said, "Kiss it" -- WAIT A SECOND!

I don't know how this keeps happening. That was Bill Clinton. Please bear with me -- it's late at night and my notes are jumbled.

As CEO of an organization, Trump had a female employee, just months out of her teens, perform oral sex on him while he made business calls. That girl's name was Monica Lewin-- No! Wrong again! That was Bill Clinton, too! Please don't stop reading. Let me find my Trump notes ...

What I meant was that Trump was the one who later smeared that girl as a delusional stalker. She may have volunteered for the sex -- at around age 20 -- but Monica Lewinsky didn't volunteer to be slandered! And yet this fiend, this user-of-women, this retrograde misogynist, Donald Trump, deployed his journalist friends, like Sidney Blumenthal, to spread rumors that Monica was a stalker, trying to blackmail the president.

 

Oh, boy -- this is embarrassing. This must seem very sloppy. That wasn't Trump either; it was Hillary Clinton.

There must be something here that was Trump ... Here! I have one.

When an attractive woman desperately in need of a job came to Trump's office in 1993, instead of helping, he lunged at her, kissed her on the mouth, grabbed her breast and put her hand on his genitals. He later told a mistress that the claim was absurd because the woman, Kathleen Willey, had such small breasts.

Uh-oh -- you're not going to believe this, but -- yep, that was Bill Clinton.

This one, I'm sure was Trump. In January 1992, Trump went on "60 Minutes" to slime nightclub singer Gennifer Flowers, knowing full well she was telling the truth. He implied she belonged in a loony bin, telling millions of viewers "every time she called, distraught ... she said sort of wacky things."

Dammit! I don't know how this keeps happening. That wasn't Trump! That was Hillary, smearing one of her husband's sexual conquests.

Let's just go back to the Times' story, based on months of investigation and interviews with hundreds of women. I'll give it to you straight: When Trump was at the New York Military Academy as a teenager, one person who knew him said -- and this is corroborated by two other witnesses: "Donald was extremely sensitive to whether or not the women he invited to campus were pretty."

 

I almost threw up reading that. I am physically ill.

[Yank Mike]

My three favorite things about the campaign today.

 

Clinton surrogate and former Pennsylvania governor on Trump's chances in his state:

“Will [Trump] have some appeal to working-class Dems in Levittown or Bristol? Sure,†said Ed Rendell, the former Pennsylvania governor and Philadelphia mayor, who won landslides in the suburbs. “For every one he’ll lose 1½, two Republican women. Trump’s comments like ‘You can’t be a 10 if you’re flat-chested,’ that’ll come back to haunt him. There are probably more ugly women in America than attractive women. People take that stuff personally.â€

 

The latest Fox News poll has Trump leading 45%-42%. This is the first major national poll I've seen that's had him in front. The same poll had Clinton leading 48%-41% last month. Trump leads by 24% among whites. Clinton leads by 83% with blacks and 39% with Hispanics. In 2012 according to the Fox News exit poll Romney won whites by 20%. Obama won blacks by 87% and Hispanics by 44%. Trump is doing better with Hispanics in this poll than Mitt Romney did in the final vote. Clinton leads by 14% with women. Trump leads by 22% with men, 37% with working class whites, and 9% with white women.

 

Bernie Sanders dropped his "Swedish-style democratic socialist" mask for a second. In San Juan: “Oscar López Rivera is one of the longest-serving political prisoners in history — 34 years, longer than Nelson Mandela. I say to President Obama — let him out!†This is a gentleman who was convicted in a plot to bomb cities across the US as part of a terrorist group which wanted to turn Puerto Rico into a Marxist state. It's a hard argument to make that Puerto Rico is oppressed to the point that they need a violent independence movement since they've had 5 referendums on their relationship with the USA since the 1950s. The peak support for independence was 4.4% in 1993. Bill Clinton offered this gentleman a pardon in the 90s and it was rejected because Clinton imposed the condition that he reject violence as a means to achieve Puerto Rican independence and pardon's were not offered to 100% of radical Puerto Rican terrorists. I've always suspected that Hugo Chavez or Salvador Allende was a better comp for how far Bernie's willing to push "democracy" for his political beliefs rather than Sweden or Denmark.

[banana]

Ann Coulter's latest.

 

TRUMP'S PROBLEM WITH WOMEN.

 

While interesting in a "you hypocritical fucks" shit-flinging sense, that's also just a load of unsubstantiated rumour and libelous accusation as far as I can see.

[Yank Mike]

While interesting in a "you hypocritical fucks" shit-flinging sense, that's also just a load of unsubstantiated rumour and libelous accusation as far as I can see.

I suppose she's just taking claims at face value the same as the NY Times did with the women who described interactions with Trump. Of course all the Times could find was the occasional semi-rude comments regarding appearance. The Clintons have a few more serious claims regarding their behavior on the female front.

 

Certainly the Monica Lewinsky and Paula Jones (the one where Governor Clinton had the state police bring a low level state employee to a hotel room and dropped his pants) incidents are corroborated. As would be Hillary's smears on TV about Jennifer Flowers on tv during the 1992 election and the rumors spread in the media by Clinton loyalists regarding Monica Lewinsky's crazy behavior. I'm not sure about what corroboration exists for the Broaddrick and Willey sexual assault allegations. I assume that they are just allegations, but I've never looked into the specifics.

[banana]

I suppose she's just taking claims at face value the same as the NY Times did with the women who described interactions with Trump. Of course all the Times could find was the occasional semi-rude comments regarding appearance. The Clintons have a few more serious claims regarding their behavior on the female front.

 

Certainly the Monica Lewinsky and Paula Jones (the one where Governor Clinton had the state police bring a low level state employee to a hotel room and dropped his pants) incidents are corroborated. As would be Hillary's smears on TV about Jennifer Flowers on tv during the 1992 election and the rumors spread in the media by Clinton loyalists regarding Monica Lewinsky's crazy behavior. I'm not sure about what corroboration exists for the Broaddrick and Willey sexual assault allegations. I assume that they are just allegations, but I've never looked into the specifics.

 

Lewinsky/Jones 'Incidents', yes. Some heinous wrongdoing or misogyny, a real stretch, if that's the story Coulter is actually trying to paint. I suspect she's just holding these to the same standards as the Trump allegations to make a point, re: hypocrisy.

[Savage Henry]

Lewinsky/Jones 'Incidents', yes. Some heinous wrongdoing or misogyny, a real stretch, if that's the story Coulter is actually trying to paint. I suspect she's just holding these to the same standards as the Trump allegations to make a point, re: hypocrisy.

Coulter isn't making a point. She's just a seething mess that Trump was being attacked left, right and centre and its sticking, whereas nothing sticks on Clinton.

[Jacksgranda]

I recently wrote a blog about Donald Trump, feel free to read.

 

https://wordpress.com/post/jgilhooley.wordpress.com/15

 

Any feedback is welcome.

 

Small disclaimer: English wasn't my best subject at school, so don't expect Guardian quality writing. :lol:

 

Probably be better than the Guardian, then.

[Yank Mike]

Lewinsky/Jones 'Incidents', yes. Some heinous wrongdoing or misogyny, a real stretch, if that's the story Coulter is actually trying to paint. I suspect she's just holding these to the same standards as the Trump allegations to make a point, re: hypocrisy.

The Jones incident is scummy any way you slice it. Clinton had police officers escort a low level employee to a hotel room and graphically propositioned her without any history of previous dating. That's fuckin shitty.

Lewinsky is more of a grey area. She made it clear that she wanted the relationship. Still, you can make a good argument that a high level boss should not be propositioning low level employees who know that their future career may depend on their response.

The Clinton machine smearing the young lady in the media was awful. She was barely out of her teens and in an impossible situation in front of the entire country. What a terrible thing to happen to someone.

 

Looked up the Juanita Broaddrick wiki:

 

Broaddrick shared the hotel room with her friend and employee Norma Rodgers. Rodgers attended a conference seminar that morning, and says she returned to their room to find Broaddrick on the bed “in a state of shock,†her pantyhose torn in the crotch and her lip swollen as though she had been hit.^[4] Rogers says Broaddrick told her Clinton had "forced himself on her."^[4] Rogers helped Broaddrick ice her lip, and then the women left Little Rock. Rogers said that Broaddrick was very upset on the way home and blamed herself for letting Clinton in the room.^[3]

Broaddrick says she did not tell her then-husband, Gary Hickey, about the incident, and told him she accidentally injured her lip. He told NBC he did not remember the injury or her excuse.^[3][5]

At the time, she was having an affair with her eventual second husband, David Broaddrick. He says he noticed her injured lip, and she told him that Clinton had raped her when he asked about it.^[3] Three other friends confirmed that Broaddrick had told them about the incident at the time: Susan Lewis, Louis Ma, and Jean Darden, Norma Rogers’ sister.^[3]

Broaddrick did not recall the date of the alleged incident, but said it was spring of 1978 and that she had stayed in the Camelot Hotel. Records show Broaddrick attended a nursing home meeting at the Camelot Hotel in Little Rock on April 25, 1978.^[3][5] The Clinton White House would not respond to requests for Clinton's official schedule for the date,^[6] but news reports suggest that he was in Little Rock that day, with no official commitments in the morning.^[3]

^{. . .}

In the fall of 1997, Paula Jones’s private investigators tried to talk to Broaddrick at her home, also secretly taping the conversation.^[9] Broaddrick refused to discuss the incident, saying “it was just a horrible horrible thing,†and that she “wouldn’t relive it for anything.â€^[11] The investigators told her she would likely be subpoenaed if she would not talk to them. Broaddrick said she would deny everything, saying “you can’t get to him, and I’m not going to ruin my good name to do it… there’s just absolutely no way anyone can get to him, he’s just too vicious.â€^[11] Broaddrick was subpoenaed in the Jones suit soon after and submitted an affidavit denying that Clinton had made “any sexual advancesâ€.^[1][2] The recording of Broaddrick’s conversation with the investigators was leaked to the press, but Broaddrick continued to refuse to speak to reporters.^[9]

[Yank Mike]

Regarding Gennifer Flowers and the Hillary Clinton 60 Minutes interview during the 1992 Presidential campaign:

 

Billy Boy denied the affair. Here's Hillary smearing her character and calling her crazy in front of the whole country. Bill then says that she lied for money while Hillary nods and then shakes her head in disgust.

Bill later admitted under oath that the affair did occur. Did Hillary know this when she smeared Ms. Flowers. I think the answer should be obvious.

[Meth Damon]

[Cerberus]

f**k Trump, f**k the NRA and f**k you.

[Savage Henry]

f**k Trump, f**k the NRA and f**k you.

 

A fine and noble sentiment.  It's noticeable that the Trump campaign has fixated on the utterly Clinton's husband's irrelevant affairs and a banal incident involving emails.  Trump knows he's looked upon as a heinous character, and he's trying his best to make Clinton look worse (it's basically impossible to convince the electorate that Trump is a good guy so they are going for the least bad option).

 

The opinion polls are meaningless. Trump's going to get thrashed, and it's going to be hilarious.  Hilarious but sad in that Bernie Sanders is evidence of what a decent, honourable president could be like.  

 

Making Hillary Clinton look the kinder, gentler candidate takes some doing, but Trump has managed it.

[Meth Damon]

f**k Trump, f**k the NRA and f**k you.

^^^

Guns are bad m'kay

[Yank Mike]

California Senator Barbra Boxer said she feared for her safety at the Nevada convention due to Bernie supporters. I've been waiting to see the articles and tv segments about how the Democrat party support for undemocratic and violent street movements like Occupy Wall St and Black Lives Matter has led to young lefties thinking they can use violence and intimidation to overturn democratic results.

 

Today I saw my first article. It wondered if this years Democratic primary and the frustration of Bernie supporters shows that America is not democratic enough. Haha. Clinton has 3 million more votes, 6 more states, and leads 55%-42%. Hillary won the actual vote in Nevada 52%-47% and the Bernie people were trying to overturn that result at a convention.