Bishop Briggs Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 You look like you're playing trouser tennis no wonder you're happy You must be an expert if you can tell from such a distance. I always thought the term was pocket billiards. Do you, like Hitler (as the song goes), have only one ball to play with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Briggs Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-32443396 Top four 1. Switzerland 2. Iceland 3. Denmark 4. Norway Don't they know they're better together with larger neighbours running their affairs? What currency do they even use? They all have their own currency (which the SNP does not want Scotland to have). Only Denmark is in the EU and it's not in the Eurozone. Switzerland, Iceland and Norway are in EFTA (rather than the EU) but are in the Single Market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuzzyAffro Posted April 27, 2015 Author Share Posted April 27, 2015 And all are independent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Briggs Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 And all are independent. Not true as true independence is impossible inside the EU. Denmark is in the EU so EU law has supremacy over the Danes' national laws. The other three, as EFTA members, have economic and trade deals, including freedom of movement, that can be terminated by their national Parliaments. So they have democratic control over their economy, laws, courts, borders, agriculture and fisheries etc - unlike the UK and other EU Member States. The SNP only wants separation from the UK, not real independence. Look at the Irish - are they really independent or just dependent on the EU and its bailouts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuzzyAffro Posted April 27, 2015 Author Share Posted April 27, 2015 They're really independent, and you're really a UKIP nutter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 Not true as true independence is impossible inside the EU. Denmark is in the EU so EU law has supremacy over the Danes' national laws. The other three, as EFTA members, have economic and trade deals, including freedom of movement, that can be terminated by their national Parliaments. So they have democratic control over their economy, laws, courts, borders, agriculture and fisheries etc - unlike the UK and other EU Member States. The SNP only wants separation from the UK, not real independence. Look at the Irish - are they really independent or just dependent on the EU and its bailouts? Wtf is this pish? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Briggs Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 They're really independent, and you're really a UKIP nutter. So Tony Benn, Michael Foot, Eric Heffer and Bob Crow were all UKIP nutters? Bob Crow's No2EU party stood in the European elections. Labour's 1983 manifesto included a pledge to withdraw from the EU. It's you who is the nutter. Wtf is this pish? Too thick to understand basic European constitutional law? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuzzyAffro Posted April 28, 2015 Author Share Posted April 28, 2015 Nutter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFC90 Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 They all have their own currency (which the SNP does not want Scotland to have). Only Denmark is in the EU and it's not in the Eurozone. Switzerland, Iceland and Norway are in EFTA (rather than the EU) but are in the Single Market. Denmarks currency is pegged to Euro. Remember when the unionists told how disastrous that would be ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Eire GDP growing much faster than UKs(they dont have any natural resources). But heh, Scotland couldnt do this.... to wee and silly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFC90 Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Eire GDP growing much faster than UKs(they dont have any natural resources). But heh, Scotland couldnt do this.... to wee and silly Ireland embarrasses the UK on almost everything that's important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elixir Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Ireland embarrasses the UK on almost everything that's important. Aye, but does it create 1,000 shite jobs with shite pay every single day? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thumper Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 Ireland embarrasses the UK on almost everything that's important. Ireland is a financial basket case, which is why the SNP promptly stopped talking about emulating Ireland as soon as Swinney stepped back down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFC90 Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 Ireland is a financial basket case, which is why the SNP promptly stopped talking about emulating Ireland as soon as Swinney stepped back down.Better credit rating. Better GDP per head. Fastest growth in the EU. They do have higher unemployment and higher debt but on almost every other index be it economy, happiness, living standards etc they beat the UK. The UK is a low wage economy and its only going to get worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thumper Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 Better credit rating. Better GDP per head. Fastest growth in the EU. They do have higher unemployment and higher debt but on almost every other index be it economy, happiness, living standards etc they beat the UK. The UK is a low wage economy and its only going to get worse. The first three are spreadsheet figures, largely as a result of Ireland re-inventing itself as a tax-free home for the European accounting units of multinationals. Our living standards and happiness issues are things that we can plausibly address by spending money on them, if we drag English Labour kicking and screaming away from their wee blue pals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFC90 Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 The first three are spreadsheet figures, largely as a result of Ireland re-inventing itself as a tax-free home for the European accounting units of multinationals. Our living standards and happiness issues are things that we can plausibly address by spending money on them, if we drag English Labour kicking and screaming away from their wee blue pals. Inequality increased during the last Labour government and I can't see it going any other way than up with this one. If Ireland is a basket case then so is the UK. I'm sure Ireland is actually announcing public spending increases in the next parliament but apparently we're too skint to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 Ireland is a financial basket case, which is why the SNP promptly stopped talking about emulating Ireland as soon as Swinney stepped back down. How? They have just released tax cuts and spending increases. outstripping the uk on most factors. Ireland is doing just fine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 How? They have just released tax cuts and spending increases. outstripping the uk on most factors. Ireland is doing just fine The flip side of that is that there's an election coming by early 2016 at the latest and to put it mildly Fine Gael and Labour aren't doing all that well in the opinion polls at the moment. The sensible approach is to do the austerity early on in the term and ease up at the end to get reelected. I'd read more into what is happening in the RoI about 18 months from now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuzzyAffro Posted April 29, 2015 Author Share Posted April 29, 2015 The flip side of that is that there's an election coming by early 2016 at the latest and to put it mildly Fine Gael and Labour aren't doing all that well in the opinion polls at the moment. The sensible approach is to do the austerity early on in the term and ease up at the end to get reelected. I'd read more into what is happening in the RoI about 18 months from now. Yeah? Cause we've got an election next week and no spending increases for at least six years have been announced. Ireland is in a better fiscal position than the UK and has a higher standard of living. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 Time will tell. Norway is the better poster child for Scottish independence given the tradition of social rather than christian democrat politics, the large oil and gas reserve angle, and the ability to use renewables to run their electrical grid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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