1320Lichtie Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 A lot of folk on here don't seem to understand that Jock-baiting is a vote winner in most of the UK. Sad but so very true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmothecat Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 A lot of folk on here don't seem to understand that Jock-baiting is a vote winner in most of the UK. Is it? Maybe amongst a minority of little Englanders who probably reserve the same contempt for immigrants, feminism and foreign food, but I doubt the vast majority of voters in England care about Scotland politically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swampy Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 Is it? Maybe amongst a minority of little Englanders who probably reserve the same contempt for immigrants, feminism and foreign food, but I doubt the vast majority of voters in England care about Scotland politically. Because on your planet, 'vote winner' means 'something literally everyone cares about'. If you've ever read the comments section on local newspaper websites you'd know that anti-Scottish racism is rife in England. That doesn't mean everyone feels that way, of course. But there are enough people to make a sly kick at the sweaties a popular move. Plenty of Labourite Uncle Tams spent the entire referendum doing this - special mention for Johann Lamont. Some, like Jim Murphy, went to the opposite extreme and bathed daily in a wellspring of Irn Bru. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmothecat Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 If you've ever read the comments section on local newspaper websites you'd know that anti-Scottish racism is rife in England. seriously? My experience is the exact opposite of this, most English people I know absolutely love Scottish people. There's far more anti-English feeling in Scotland than anti-Scottish feeling down here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 seriously? My experience is the exact opposite of this, most English people I know absolutely love Scottish people. There's far more anti-English feeling in Scotland than anti-Scottish feeling down here. I doubt that. A country with 10 x the population has less people anti anything would be an anomoly!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swampy Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 seriously? My experience is the exact opposite of this, most English people I know absolutely love Scottish people. There's far more anti-English feeling in Scotland than anti-Scottish feeling down here. Again, on your planet this is probably true, but back here on Earth it's not the case at all. I've spent a lot of time in Leeds and London for work and 'absolutely love' is just a horrific slice of hyperbole that only a dissembler would come out with. It's just absolutely not true. In person, Scots are treated as anyone else - there's no absolute love about it. Then, in the media, public policy and so forth, Jock-baiting is a national pastime. Jmo, you're an amoral liar, we already know this, but the key to lying successfully is to refrain from overplaying your hand. If you'd just said 'people here like Scots as much as anyone else' that would at least be a debatable point, but 'absolutely love'? This is why your intra-galactic mission to get normal people to vote Labour is due to fail - you don't really talk like an earthling yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmothecat Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 Again, on your planet this is probably true, but back here on Earth it's not the case at all. I've spent a lot of time in Leeds and London for work and 'absolutely love' is just a horrific slice of hyperbole that only a dissembler would come out with. It's just absolutely not true. In person, Scots are treated as anyone else - there's no absolute love about it. Then, in the media, public policy and so forth, Jock-baiting is a national pastime. Jmo, you're an amoral liar, we already know this, but the key to lying successfully is to refrain from overplaying your hand. If you'd just said 'people here like Scots as much as anyone else' that would at least be a debatable point, but 'absolutely love'? This is why your intra-galactic mission to get normal people to vote Labour is due to fail - you don't really talk like an earthling yet. I'm not amoral nor am I a liar. My experience is people down here love us. As soon as they hear the accent they get excited. Maybe the fact you've not experienced this says more about you than it does English people. You've evidently got some sort of chip on your shoulder and you are looking for prejudice which doesn't exist to any sort of significant extent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swampy Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 Because I'm not a blairite, I've been fortunate enough to travel widely without the express goal of bombing the f**k out of any non-white I come across, so no, I don't think it's me. I think what probably happens is you're emotionally invested in the idea of the UK and you bought into the 'love bomb' idea that never exisgedexisted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob the tank Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 I'm not amoral nor am I a liar. My experience is people down here love us. As soon as they hear the accent they get excited. Maybe the fact you've not experienced this says more about you than it does English people. You've evidently got some sort of chip on your shoulder and you are looking for prejudice which doesn't exist to any sort of significant extent.I was on holiday in Tenerife last week, there is definitely a change in attitudes towards Scottish people by the English. There was interaction poolside and at the bar and restaurant but not like it used to be in years gone by. Before there was good natured banter from both sides and drinking together, but this time I noticed when a Scottish accent was heard the they were checked out and usually ignored. At the airport in the check in queue, a couple were asked to step aside as they were going to east Midlands and we were called forward, as I went past the guy loudly asked me where I was flying to, I replied Glasgow and asked him if it was a problem and he jumped back as if I had slapped him, we are obvious being painted as swivel-eyed cave-dwelling psychos by the English media. I certainly felt no love from them for the whole fortnight I spent amongst them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 The English think we are ungrateful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murphy1970 Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 I've been a long term admirer of Corbyn but I fear that he is going to be hamstrung by the PLP. The parliamentary party has always been substantially to the right of most Labour activists but probably never more so than now. The influx of new members to Labour, south of the border, will have led the party firmly to the left and in Corbyn, they have the most left-wing leader they've had since the end of monochrome TV. Corbyn is a much more principled socialist than Foot in my opinion. The problem he's facing, and will continue to face, is the utter duplicity of the PLP. The right wing MPs in the party have always been treacherous, going back to the days of the SDP and beyond and I fully expect them to undermine Corbyn at every opportunity, aided and abetted by the centre/right media i.e. BBC and Guardian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogmc Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 Because on your planet, 'vote winner' means 'something literally everyone cares about'. If you've ever read the comments section on local newspaper websites you'd know that anti-Scottish racism is rife in England. That doesn't mean everyone feels that way, of course. But there are enough people to make a sly kick at the sweaties a popular move. Plenty of Labourite Uncle Tams spent the entire referendum doing this - special mention for Johann Lamont. Some, like Jim Murphy, went to the opposite extreme and bathed daily in a wellspring of Irn Bru. Never mind the local press.....try the bbc comments anytime there is a scottish based story.....some truly depressing stuff essentially based on theme that Scotland is subsidised by the generosity of the rest of the uk and we have a cheek to be so ungrateful...we like to think that most people would be savvy enough not to believe the guff that passes for journalism in the written press, but clearly a lot of people still do. Actually think thats one of the telling differences between the post referendum electorate here and down south ie how little traction the tabloids / broadsheets and the bbc here have now eg the scotsman having to cut jobs after its bt stance has blown up in its face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CityDave Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 The English think we are ungrateful All English?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CityDave Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 seriously? My experience is the exact opposite of this, most English people I know absolutely love Scottish people. There's far more anti-English feeling in Scotland than anti-Scottish feeling down here. My experience of England is similar, never an issue. However I have heard quite a spectrum of views up here in the Highlands from humour and banter to outright anti-English prejudice and even violence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 My experience of England is similar, never an issue. However I have heard quite a spectrum of views up here in the Highlands from humour and banter to outright anti-English prejudice and even violence. That will be the incomers trying too hard to integrate... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 Corbyn on the marr show,saying the snp privatised scotrail and is doing the same with calmac.lies lies lies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 My experience of England is similar, never an issue. However I have heard quite a spectrum of views up here in the Highlands from humour and banter to outright anti-English prejudice and even violence. Never had any problem down south, a lot of empathy from Scousers and Geordies who wished they could vote SNP. But some frank astonishment from some Southerners when I said I voted Yes, and a bit of bewildered resentment. No outright hostility though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsenal till I die Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 Some twat from The Sun was even having a go at the Irish Independence movement pre-partition. Fuckin ell, the Right think the world belongs to us. I honestly think some members of the Conservative Party would bring back the trans-Atlantic slave trade if they managed to take away all the gains that have been made since then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loondave1 Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 Corbyn on the marr show,saying the snp privatised scotrail and is doing the same with calmac.lies lies liesIf its not in public ownership that's my definition of "privatised" although I know the SNP definition is a little fluid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerwickMad Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 Corbyn was very good on Marr to be fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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