ScotSquid Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 What is the party though? I'm not sure I have any idea what the Labour party is about these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 If Labour PLP's, MP's and members had poured as much energy into fighting the Tories in May as they have to fighting Corbyn at present, Westminster might look very different right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScotSquid Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 If Labour PLP's, MP's and members had poured as much energy into fighting the Tories in May as they have to fighting Corbyn at present, Westminster might look very different right now. Spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmothecat Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 If Labour PLP's, MP's and members had poured as much energy into fighting the Tories in May as they have to fighting Corbyn at present, Westminster might look very different right now. There are many reasons we lost the election in May. Not fighting the Tories is not one of them. We had a massive ground campaign but were hindered by an unpopular leader, a directionless shadow cabinet and a lack of economic credibility. I think Oldham is a good example of the energies Labour have. Both momentum and progress, two groups at opposite ends of the party, who don't exactly see eye to eye on much both campaigned for the same man to get elected at the weekend. We've volunteers from every part of our party trying to get our man elected. There are many things wrong with our party at the moment, but the efforts on the ground and efforts are elections are not part of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 The party members may well have worked hard but the PLP seemed to do next to bugger all until six months before the election. They also allowed the Tories to win the economic argument by consistently apologising for the Global Credit Crunch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jambo-rocker Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Modereprobates. Amiryt lad5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFC90 Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 When was the term Red Tory replaced by moderate ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enigma Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Only true if they are confident that there is no danger of deselection as the parliamentary candidate for their constituency. If Corbyn controls party HQ and the large influx of left leaning new members organise themselves to oust the Blairites reselection is no sure thing. I think they'll bide time a bit. They'll be wanting a few poor by election results and I think poor by election results/poor polling will be the straw the breaks the camel's back. The can shout "look! He's unelectable" and you can be assured they'll have be better organised and pull out ever trick in the book to get their man in power in the resulting leadership contest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScotSquid Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Who wants the job before 2020 though when you know you face certain defeat? A time server just waiting to hand the reins over after that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 There are many reasons we lost the election in May. Not fighting the Tories is not one of them. We had a massive ground campaign but were hindered by an unpopular leader, a directionless shadow cabinet and a lack of economic credibility. I think Oldham is a good example of the energies Labour have. Both momentum and progress, two groups at opposite ends of the party, who don't exactly see eye to eye on much both campaigned for the same man to get elected at the weekend. We've volunteers from every part of our party trying to get our man elected. There are many things wrong with our party at the moment, but the efforts on the ground and efforts are elections are not part of them. You don't appear interested in removing your head from the sand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Do the Blairites think they're increasing or decreasing Corbyn's electability by constantly attacking him? They're either idiots or liars - probably both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Do the Blairites think they're increasing or decreasing Corbyn's electability by constantly attacking him? They're either idiots or liars - probably both. Forgetting even Corbyn's electability. How about Labour's viability on a wider level? How is anyone supposed to be persuaded to vote for Labour when you have so many nee-liberal backbench MPs constantly sniping at their own leadership? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Forgetting even Corbyn's electability. How about Labour's viability on a wider level? How is anyone supposed to be persuaded to vote for Labour when you have so many nee-liberal backbench MPs constantly sniping at their own leadership? Yep, Labour have very little chance of winning in 2020. If Corbyn hangs on, he will have been utterly destroyed by 5 years of his own party hounding him. There really isn't anyone else who's any good, as the leadership contest showed. So if the Blairites topple Corbyn against the whishes of the membership and rig the next contest to put a neo-lib drone in charge, you can kiss goodbye to electability in 2020. Basically, unless the Tories line up Emperor Palpatine to replace Cameron, they're a shoe-in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 When is the commons vote? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Yep, Labour have very little chance of winning in 2020. If Corbyn hangs on, he will have been utterly destroyed by 5 years of his own party hounding him. There really isn't anyone else who's any good, as the leadership contest showed. So if the Blairites topple Corbyn against the whishes of the membership and rig the next contest to put a neo-lib drone in charge, you can kiss goodbye to electability in 2020. Basically, unless the Tories line up Emperor Palpatine to replace Cameron, they're a shoe-in. If Labour oust Corbyn and place a Blairite at the helm, I can't see Labour getting back in for another 4 terms or so. Unless, as you say, the Tories make an awful choice as leader or make some sort of mistake the electorate won't forgive. I can't see that happening though. The Tories, in this Parliament, have played Labour like a Stradivariius time and time again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Corbyn is going to argue that as 75% of Labour members who responded to his poll oppose airstrikes then he's justfied putting in place a whip on this. This is going to kill Labour. Watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRob72 Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 I received the email. Not really sure how to respond though. I'll have a think. 75% of those members who have responded so far have backed Corbyn's stance on bombing Syria. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 If Labour oust Corbyn and place a Blairite at the helm, I can't see Labour getting back in for another 4 terms or so. Unless, as you say, the Tories make an awful choice as leader or make some sort of mistake the electorate won't forgive. I can't see that happening though. The Tories, in this Parliament, have played Labour like a Stradivariius time and time again. You might find that this vote may be the undoing of the Tory party. Their arguments do not stand up to scrutiny and we know what happened the last time we undertook armed conflict on false premise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 You might find that this vote may be the undoing of the Tory party. Their arguments do not stand up to scrutiny and we know what happened the last time we undertook armed conflict on false premise. Yep. BOOM, 3 elections and a global economic crisis later, with Frankenstein's Monster's less charismatic little brother in charge, Labour were booted out. The electorate tend to forget thousands of dead brown people if they think they stand to lose/gain a couple of hundred quid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sloop John B Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 I'm pretty sure that the Conservatives at this stage are just trying to see how evil they can get away with before people actually vote for Labour. Labour are showing Clyde levels of shambles ATM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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