Whitnail Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Well he's won two Bundesliga titles (2011 and 2012) with a relatively unfancied side, against a much larger and more powerful club, and reached a CL final in 2013. The side he is moving to last played a CL final in 2007 and last won the league in 1990. How on earth is this not a step backwards? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lichtie23 Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 He is winning f**k all at Liverpool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitnail Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Liverpool are a much bigger club than Dortmund and have vastly underachieved for most of the last 20-25 years, so there's sufficient scope for Klopp to increase his profile by taking the job - especially as the LFC board have a good record for backing their managers handsomely in the transfer market. Given there are some black marks as well as successes on his record he wasn't going to get a much better opportunity. In the 1980s, maybe. The last player to have a choice between two clubs, Mkhitaryan, chose Dortmund despite Liverpool placing him as their number 1 target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dee Man Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Well he's won two Bundesliga titles (2011 and 2012) with a relatively unfancied side, against a much larger and more powerful club, and reached a CL final in 2013. The side he is moving to last played a CL final in 2007 and last won the league in 1990. How on earth is this not a step backwards? More pertinently, how is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunning1874 Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 While Liverpool are a massive club, they fail to make the Champions League places more often than not with it being a huge task to break into them, and have had a credible title challenge once in the last ten years while failing to win it for the last 25. I'd call it a sideways move, but it's hardly hilarious to argue that it's a backward step. He's gone from a job where he's won two league titles and reached a Champions League final to a side who don't challenge for league titles and usually don't qualify for the Champions League. An obvious step up from Dortmund would be to a bigger club which also consistently challenges for the title in one of the top four leagues. That's not Liverpool, though the fact they have the budget and potential to become a side that does with the right manager is why I'd say going from Dortmund to Liverpool is going sideways rather than backwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
54_and_counting Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 of course liverpool are a big club, not the biggest in england but still a worldwide pull and name, their barren spell in the league wont take that away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
54_and_counting Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 While Liverpool are a massive club, they fail to make the Champions League places more often than not with it being a huge task to break into them, and have had a credible title challenge once in the last ten years while failing to win it for the last 25. I'd call it a sideways move, but it's hardly hilarious to argue that it's a backward step. He's gone from a job where he's won two league titles and reached a Champions League final to a side who don't challenge for league titles and usually don't qualify for the Champions League. An obvious step up from Dortmund would be to a bigger club which also consistently challenges for the title in one of the top four leagues. That's not Liverpool, though the fact they have the budget and potential to become a side that does with the right manager is why I'd say going from Dortmund to Liverpool is going sideways rather than backwards. it can be argued that with the financial clout in the EPL that its way harder to reach the CL in england than it is in germany Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitnail Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 it can be argued that with the financial clout in the EPL that its way harder to reach the CL in england than it is in germany How exactly does it make it harder? Shouldn't it make the teams that qualify of better quality? In which case, why are they doing worse in the coefficient rankings? The second tier clubs, those who don't get the CL but do get the EL, actually do especially badly in Europe - implying they aren't very good relative to their European competitors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Liverpool are a much bigger club than Dortmund How exactly are Liverpool a bigger club? You don't underachieve for 25 years, Liverpool are exactly where they should be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Skidmarks Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Liverpool are underachievers, and it's funny as f**k. I hope Klopp leaves them for a bigger pay packet at Man City after a season of getting their hopes up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rab B Nesbit Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Press conference at 10am tomorrow morning. Exciting times for Liverpool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illuminati Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Press conference at 10am tomorrow morning. Exciting times for Liverpool. Not really tho is it? Klopp is a good manager that's no question but attracting players to a small club is hard for the best of the best tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamdunk Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Liverpool have what, the 5th/6th highest budget in the league? Low and behold, they usually finish around 5th or 6th in the league. Shockeroni. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitnail Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Liverpool have what, the 5th/6th highest budget in the league? Low and behold, they usually finish around 5th or 6th in the league. Shockeroni. The two things are linked, though. If Liverpool hadn't been so rubbish in the past 25 years they would be matching (or surpassing) the finances of Man Utd and Arsenal at the very least. Also they haven't finished 5th since 2005. Since 2009-2010 they have been 7th, 6th, 8th, 7th, 2nd, 6th. Surely in every one of those seasons (beyond the runners up season) they have finished below teams with a smaller budget? I'd be pretty surprised if Spurs ever had a larger wage bill than them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Welcome Jurgen Klopp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rab B Nesbit Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Not really tho is it? Klopp is a good manager that's no question but attracting players to a small club is hard for the best of the best tbh. Good job then he's joined Britains most successful ever club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Good job then he's joined Britains most successful ever club That's sevco pattern Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dee Man Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 You have to hand it to Klopp for seeing it as a project and taking on a team of perpetual underachievers in the hope of returning them to past glories rather than being one of the usual merry-go-round of elite managers who take the top jobs with little or no chance of failure. I'm personally looking forward to seeing that mad eccy jaw on the sidelines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illuminati Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Good job then he's joined Britains most successful ever club You're pathetic lmao. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogmc Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Just saw some Liverpool fans on ssn being interviewed.....literally every single one in dire need of a ticket to dignitas...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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