Antiochas III Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 Democracy the British Way you mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 Democracy the tories way,get beat in the lords and take the huff and make plans to change it in their favour the fuds. You voted for it Kev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 It was mentioned on here before the vote with a link, was it not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 George Robertson was in the cabinet when these were introduced,yip he voted with the tories to get rid of them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevthedee Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 You voted for it Kev Never voted conservative in my life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 Never voted conservative in my life. Maybe not "Conservative" party, but certainly conservative. After all, you helped conserve the Conservatives' rule over Scotland. That party is now acting in line with the rules and processes of the constitutional framework you wanted Scotland to be part of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loondave1 Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 Maybe not "Conservative" party, but certainly conservative. After all, you helped conserve the Conservatives' rule over Scotland. That party is now acting in line with the rules and processes of the constitutional framework you wanted Scotland to be part of.I could argue Wee Nippys courting of Ed Miliband was equaly effective in returning a Tory majority."Let us help you Ed you can't do it on your own".... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 Both were equally effective. In that both just happened to be related incidents. The "you voted for Tory if you voted No" stuff is the sort of bitterness that makes me cringe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loondave1 Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 I honesty think I detect jealousy at the SNP not being the centre of attention in this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 I could argue Wee Nippys courting of Ed Miliband was equaly effective in returning a Tory majority."Let us help you Ed you can't do it on your own".... You'd be lying, though. The reason the Pigfucker and his crew won was, as every survey has shown, because Labour were not trusted with the economy by English voters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 Both were equally effective. In that both just happened to be related incidents. The "you voted for Tory if you voted No" stuff is the sort of bitterness that makes me cringe. Voting "no" was not the same as voting Tory. It was and is, however, the reason for the sovereign Conservative government rejected by yet in charge of Scotland. The way some "no" voters try and distance themselves from Scotland being a region governed by a party elected by the UK (Scotland's vote being irrelevant) is what's cringe-inducing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williemillersmoustache Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 Michael Crick ✔ @MichaelLCrick So Thomas Galloway Dunlop du Roy de Blicquy Galbraith, aka Baron Strathclyde of Barskimming, to run Givt review of troublesome Hse of Lords 6:37 PM - 27 Oct 2015 Democracy in action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loondave1 Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 Voting "no" was not the same as voting Tory. It was and is, however, the reason for the sovereign Conservative government rejected by yet in charge of Scotland. The way some "no" voters try and distance themselves from Scotland being a region governed by a party elected by the UK (Scotland's vote being irrelevant) is what's cringe-inducing. Id only buy your argument if I thought the SNPs vision of Scotland was true unfortunately my logical brain thought a lot of it was horseshit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 I wonder how much of a disgrace the House of Lords would be if the vote had gone through. It's actually quite saddening how desperate the Tories are to hammer the poorer people of the UK. Not surprising, but saddening all the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerwickMad Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 Voting "no" was not the same as voting Tory. It was and is, however, the reason for the sovereign Conservative government rejected by yet in charge of Scotland. The way some "no" voters try and distance themselves from Scotland being a region governed by a party elected by the UK (Scotland's vote being irrelevant) is what's cringe-inducing. Scotland voted Conservative then so you've nothing to greet on about Wings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 Id only buy your argument if I thought the SNPs vision of Scotland was true unfortunately my logical brain thought a lot of it was horseshit. Eh? The SNP's vision of Scotland is an independent country which can elect any party its electorate wish to govern. The British Nationalists' vision for Scotland is a dependent region of the UK which will be governed by any party the UK electorate wish to govern. That is currently the Conservative party. For having a logical brain, you don't seem to have grasped that the SNP's vision for an independent Scotland is not the be all and end all. No country remains tied to the structures and shape imagined by the party which leads it to independence. If it did, the Republic of Ireland would not have evolved in any way since the 20s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loondave1 Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 Eh? The SNP's vision of Scotland is an independent country which can elect any party its electorate wish to govern. The British Nationalists' vision for Scotland is a dependent region of the UK which will be governed by any party the UK electorate wish to govern. That is currently the Conservative party. For having a logical brain, you don't seem to have grasped that the SNP's vision for an independent Scotland is not the be all and end all. No country remains tied to the structures and shape imagined by the party which leads it to independence. If it did, the Republic of Ireland would not have evolved in any way since the 20s. I didn't see anything other than an SNP feifdom for a long long time and doubt id be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 I didn't see anything other than an SNP feifdom for a long long time and doubt id be wrong. So distrust of the electorate means we're better off having the rest of the union choose our government and making our vote irrelevant? I'll chalk that one up to "too stupid" for independence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdgarusQPFC Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 So because the tories didn't get what they wanted, the system is broken. Fucking joke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 Be interesting to see which mp bleating about "the unelected" hol doesnt take up a peerage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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