Cerberus Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 What percentage of the army are TA guys?They deserve no support. Financial or gaudy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Ferrino Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 There was this snotty woman a couple of weeks ago, who in the foyer of our local supermarket after I'd said no thanks to a help for hero's lottery ticket, very loudly said "enjoy your bottle of wine", behind my back as I walked out. Will probably still give a pound, but little things like that rile me and will probably give the poppy a miss. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 40 minutes ago, Cerberus said: What percentage of the army are TA guys? They deserve no support. Financial or gaudy. Are you suggesting Hamish Husband is supported by the poppy appeal? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 What percentage of the army are TA guys?They deserve no support. Financial or gaudy. “Reserves” account for about 20% of the totalSome “reserves” will be former regular soldiers who could be brought back in if things kicked off big time (as opposed to simply accountants with a khaki fetish) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 I wish there was some way to ensure your poppy donation only went to support causes for ww2 vets etc, people who join the army and fought in afghan etc knew what they were signing up for Presidential post IMO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerberus Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 2 hours ago, Tony Ferrino said: There was this snotty woman a couple of weeks ago, who in the foyer of our local supermarket after I'd said no thanks to a help for hero's lottery ticket, very loudly said "enjoy your bottle of wine", behind my back as I walked out. Will probably still give a pound, but little things like that rile me and will probably give the poppy a miss. You should walk around with a print out of Ainsley Harriot's You Seen Upset face for just these occasions. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booker-T Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 Normally my default position on such controversial matters is 1. Meh, I don't give a f**k 2. To each his own 3. What you eat doesn't make me shit ... Anyway, I regularly pop a few coins into any tins when I see an old soldier collecting. In my head it's a collection for the really really old guys who were conned/bullied into fighting for nothing more than an imperial territory in world war 1 under the guise of good vs evil, or the really old guys who fought against the nazis, no illusions about the cause here either but we were certainly on the far lesser evil side. The niggling thing that annoys me about the poppy appeal that gets under my skin is that it's not those old guys that are actually benefiting from donations - it's the people who should be looked after by the government who are the real beneficiaries of (or are completely reliant) of the appeal. Again, no getting into the ethics of war or these people knowing what they were signing up for but the fact is, they got hurt while working for their employer, their employer owes them a duty of care. It shouldn't be reliant on charity. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Archer (Raconteur) Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 2 hours ago, Tony Ferrino said: There was this snotty woman a couple of weeks ago, who in the foyer of our local supermarket after I'd said no thanks to a help for hero's lottery ticket, very loudly said "enjoy your bottle of wine", behind my back as I walked out. Will probably still give a pound, but little things like that rile me and will probably give the poppy a miss. You should have reported her to the council. Charity collectors aren't supposed to even rattle their collecting can/bucket to collect donations. She was just being a self righteous bitch hiding under the umbrella of someone doing good. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The OP Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 If those are the rules it doesn’t seem to stop people yelling “DO YOU WANT TO HELP CHILDREN WITH CANCER?!?!” at you in train stations and shopping centres. A lesser man than me would blanch at saying “Naw, f**k ‘em” unfortunately. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch road Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 10 hours ago, jimmy boo said: Classy as always. Lol -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chomp my root Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 9 hours ago, Bishoptonbankie said: I wish there was some way to ensure your poppy donation only went to support causes for ww2 vets etc, people who join the army and fought in afghan etc knew what they were signing up for and tbh the government should be looking after them instead of spending billions on brexit and big ben pish. Gonna get myself a white poppy this year, guaranteed to illicit seethe at work. The last conscripts weren't demobbed until about 1963, they didn't have a lot of say in the matter and we were engaged in all sorts of 'minor' conflicts during the breakup of the Empire. 9 hours ago, Bishoptonbankie said: Thank you, im running in 2020! But they did its not like anyone forced them to join up. I don't have to wear a daffodil for fallen fire fighters or a rose for deep sea fishermen so why should another risky job be lauded above all others, I come from a family with strong military links but they viewed their time as just being in a job. Totally agree, it makes your motives for wanting to wear a white poppy a little iffy though. On a slightly different subject, does anyone else get hacked off with STV and the BBC constantly plugging their charities ???? I don't know a single guy (or girl) who joined the Forces for noble reasons, we all chose to do it, I joined twice, both times because I wanted to and there was definitely no noble causes involved. 8 hours ago, Booker-T said: Normally my default position on such controversial matters is 1. Meh, I don't give a f**k 2. To each his own 3. What you eat doesn't make me shit ... Anyway, I regularly pop a few coins into any tins when I see an old soldier collecting. In my head it's a collection for the really really old guys who were conned/bullied into fighting for nothing more than an imperial territory in world war 1 under the guise of good vs evil, or the really old guys who fought against the nazis, no illusions about the cause here either but we were certainly on the far lesser evil side. The niggling thing that annoys me about the poppy appeal that gets under my skin is that it's not those old guys that are actually benefiting from donations - it's the people who should be looked after by the government who are the real beneficiaries of (or are completely reliant) of the appeal. Again, no getting into the ethics of war or these people knowing what they were signing up for but the fact is, they got hurt while working for their employer, their employer owes them a duty of care. It shouldn't be reliant on charity. If the Government had to deal with this themselves properly then it might make them less willing to get involved in sending the military into conflict. While generally the Forces aren't that badly paid, the 'after care' provided is poor and that charities have had to pick up the slack still baffles me. Hedley Court is/was getting an absolute fortune in donations when it should have been the governments responsibility, one they were happy to palm off to save cash. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenconner Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 How many Scots died in WW1? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booker-T Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 2 minutes ago, Glenconner said: How many Scots died in WW1? 100,000 - 148,000 https://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/research/learning/first-world-war/scotlands-people-and-the-first-world-war 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranaldo Bairn Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 I seem to remember reading that we had the greatest losses per head of population of anyone involved in the thing. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenconner Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 3 minutes ago, Booker-T said: 100,000 - 148,000 https://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/research/learning/first-world-war/scotlands-people-and-the-first-world-war I know 18,000 died from the Glasgow contingent of 200,000. A further 90,000 were injured. So just over 50/50 chance of you being killed or injured. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenconner Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 I remember the old man saying as a child in Glasgow in the 1920s the place was full of men with one arm or a missing leg. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booker-T Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 2 minutes ago, Ranaldo Bairn said: I seem to remember reading that we had the greatest losses per head of population of anyone involved in the thing. I think a lot of that is due to the percentage of population in relative poverty (in both living standards, narrow views of the world and education) at the time - so when reliant on vounteers, our towns and cities were just emptied of young working class males looking to escape or even adventure. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenconner Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 Seems hard to believe a 100 odd years on but newspaper reports of the Government calling the country to war brought thousands on to the streets cheering and dancing. It's reckoned 50,000 turned up in George Square to cheer the news of the start of WW1. Crazy Bazzas. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booker-T Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 5 minutes ago, Glenconner said: I know 18,000 died from the Glasgow contingent of 200,000. A further 90,000 were injured. So just over 50/50 chance of you being killed or injured. For me the wrong lessons are being pushed from the first world war.... f**k patriotism, the focus of remembrance should be the sheer folly and pointless loss of life in that war (on all sides) and it's ongoing impact on those who did manage to make it home. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booker-T Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 2 minutes ago, Glenconner said: Seems hard to believe a 100 odd years on but newspaper reports of the Government calling the country to war brought thousands on to the streets cheering and dancing. It's reckoned 50,000 turned up in George Square to cheer the news of the start of WW1. Crazy Bazzas. The press had worked those of the working classes who could read into a frenzy in the lead up to the declaration of war. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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