LongTimeLurker Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 Think the argument from some on here is that most clubs are not doing as well with it as Hamilton Accies are and some are only really in it to get SFA handouts and that is hoovering up a lot of young players who might otherwise be playing at the junior level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valeman Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 Its the actual standard of player thats coming through that is being discussed. You mention players and saying its a success. Do you think the SFA is investing the £10s of millions over the 20 year period to not qualify for competitions. Its all about winning. Look at the players in the senior game. Celtic have a vast percentage of foreigners, they have first pick of the best players. Dundee United have just signed a Japanese goalkeeper. When was the last time other than Celtic has there been a reasonable run in Europe. Sorry thats how you measure success, success in Europe and World stage, not winning it but just getting to a reasonable stage. Not he came through the youth team and got into the first team. That doesnt change whether you have pro youth or boys club. When was the last time there was a bidding war over a Scottish player. When was the last time a Scottish player did anything in Europe. Last Scottish player in a team in the top half of the English Premiership. Senior Clubs are looking to develop players to sell them on, as was the case of Dundee United. If you are saying the status quo is working, I would argue that. Neil Lennon also stated that he didnt think it was working, when he was at Celtic. I've read a lot of the above comments and tend to disagree! Pro youth is well run there are players in most Scottish senior clubs who have progressed through the pro youth set up(fact) there are also a lot of players currently playing junior who have came through the set up but have for one reason or another not made it at a pro club. I spent 4 years in the youth academy at Cowdenbeath and 3 years in at Ayr before moving into juniors. The coaches I have met and worked with in pro youth are very rarely paid( other than expenses). In my case it was horses for courses I had a romantic notion I could take on a junior role and play the way the pro youth teams set themselves up unfortunately not the case!! Back to pro youth though it's producing loads of talent look at most of the hearts team? They have come through their set up! Look at Dundee Utd;Aberdeeen; Hibs; Motherwell; Hamilton list is endless guys? Let's look at the players who have made it? Forrest bros( James @ Celtic ; Alan @ Ayr UTD) Kieran tierney Andy Halliday; Scott Brown for gods sake all came through pro youth set ups. I don't think it's perfect and I don't think it ever will be but it is working. Remember youth coaches or development coaches are only there to get the players to reach their potential if that is senior level or junior level or even amateur level then so be it. I say calm down and make improvements rather than scrap it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerblastie Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 Scott Brown came from Hutchison Vale! That's not pro youth is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rtg1971 Posted November 7, 2015 Author Share Posted November 7, 2015 Scott Brown came from Hutchison Vale! That's not pro youth is it? he was in the hibs pro youth system for 5 minutes, therefore he is a product of the hibs academy. pro clubs do this all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeKRR1878 Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 I think the juniors is still a possible pathway although a lot harder An example is Partick Thistle's Kris Doolan who started at Kello Rovers and then Auchinleck Talbot and eventually making it to Partick Thistle. Junior players now are more likely to be picked up by the likes of Stirling Albion, Queen's Park etc rather than bigger clubs such as Aberdeen, Dundee Utd and of course stand very little chance of an Old firm move unlike years and years ago where players would play junior and the likes of Rangers and Celtic would pick up players from these ranks. I think it'd be good seeing it like that again as football now is all about money but I guess that's just the modern day professional game for you, which is why I became interested in following junior football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rtg1971 Posted November 13, 2015 Author Share Posted November 13, 2015 reading in to gordon strachans comments about a kid travelling 4 hours to a game and get 10 touches of a ball instead of simply battering a ball of his garage wall makes me think he is proposing the scrapping of the best v best ideaology - maybe this is the end of pro youth, which for me i will be glad of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hertha/BJFC1938 Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 Can't believe we are citing Scott brown as an example of anything working in scottish football never mind pro youth. The fact that this lobotomised footballer leads our nation out tells me most of what is wrong with scottish football. A brainless headless chicken . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rtg1971 Posted November 13, 2015 Author Share Posted November 13, 2015 http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/ex-scotland-dundee-united-ace-6820756 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hertha/BJFC1938 Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/ex-scotland-dundee-united-ace-6820756 Yup Jim Mcinally is a good one to talk after releasing players who go through hard times . How ironic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meadow30 Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 Hertha Brownie great captain leader and player. U sound a good judge of a player!!! What u make of roy keane. What u make of barry ferguson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hertha/BJFC1938 Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 Hertha Brownie great captain leader and player. U sound a good judge of a player!!! What u make of roy keane. What u make of barry ferguson. Keane excellent , Ferguson in his day was excellent and brown remains a headless chicken . You trying to compare Roy Keane and Scott brown as equals here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meadow30 Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 Leaders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hertha/BJFC1938 Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 Leaders Both captains and both can be loose cannons but that's where the comparisons stop for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meadow30 Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 We could do with a leader in our team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 Woman in my work has a son who plays for Motherwell pro youth. They are playing Aberdeen at the weekend. The family have booked a hotel rather than travel up and down in one day. The game is in doubt but the decisions won't be made until just before kick off. He's about 12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hertha/BJFC1938 Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 Woman in my work has a son who plays for Motherwell pro youth. They are playing Aberdeen at the weekend. The family have booked a hotel rather than travel up and down in one day. The game is in doubt but the decisions won't be made until just before kick off. He's about 12. That's sad it really is . I've also seen it when Beith sign a guy who's ex Kilmarnock/ St mirren / ayr United etc pro youth for years. You get excited thinking he must have genuine ability to have played at that level but he shows no ability whatsoever , it can be as simple as that when he was between 9 and 15 years of age that he was far bigger than the rest of the lads and that he bullied his way through it or just had more power in his legs to blast high shots past a midget in nets. Fast forward to when he's between 17 and 21 years of age then the rest of the more talented lads have fully grown up and gained bulk and he can no longer bully his way through it and is released into the juniors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 Last season I seen the Ross County team bus turn up in Airdrie at about 10.30 on a Sunday morning for a 12.00 k.o. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hertha/BJFC1938 Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 Last season I seen the Ross County team bus turn up in Airdrie at about 10.30 on a Sunday morning for a 12.00 k.o. What really is the need for that ? It's a long enough journey without sparing an hour and a half . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fife Journeyman Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 Just read Barry Fergusond Daily Record article and its 100% spot on, Kids shouldnt be travelling hours on end on a Sunday too play Pro Youth. Ive watched these games and the kids are robots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacktonite Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 reading in to gordon strachans comments about a kid travelling 4 hours to a game and get 10 touches of a ball instead of simply battering a ball of his garage wall makes me think he is proposing the scrapping of the best v best ideaology - maybe this is the end of pro youth, which for me i will be glad of.Problem is rtg the general public have no tolerance for kids playing in the street any more and the first sign of it they call the police. I remember fondly playing in front of my house with pals and pissing off all the neighbours as the ball went in gardens, hit windows and knocked over garden ornaments but no one ever called the police..... Changed days unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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