Bishop Briggs Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 It's a good rule of thumb that anyone who thinks the nazis were socialists is a moron. So how would you describe Nazism, i.e national socialism? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppino Impastato Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 So you think that the Gulags, concentration camps and killing fields are amusing? You can't really get totalitarian communism, it's a contradiction in terms that's what he's laughing at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppino Impastato Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 So how would you describe Nazism, i.e national socialism? I'm aware of the name. Read about why it got called that then come back to me. It's the mark of an idiot to go national socialists so socialism. That was literally the idea, it's amazing it still works 80 years later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Briggs Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 I'm aware of the name. Read about why it got called that then come back to me. It's the mark of an idiot to go national socialists so socialism. That was literally the idea, it's amazing it still works 80 years later. Where do you think that Marxist or Maoist socialism still "works" now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppino Impastato Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 Where do you think that Marxist or Maoist socialism still "works" now? Where do you think that Marxist or Maoist socialism still "works" now? Where do you think that Marxist or Maoist socialism still "works" now?I don't even know what to say to this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 So how would you describe Nazism, i.e national socialism? How many people do you think our capatilist system has killed? Take your time now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 How many people do you think our capatilist system has killed? Take your time now... Global capitalism has brought the world's poorest out of the very worst of back-breaking poverty and has literally transformed the lives of billions of people. It is not comparable to Communism, the regimes of which have advocated it have the blood of tens of millions of people forced into starvation, disease and forced labour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppino Impastato Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 Global capitalism has brought the world's poorest out of the very worst of back-breaking poverty and has literally transformed the lives of billions of people. It is not comparable to Communism, the regimes of which have advocated it have the blood of tens of millions of people forced into starvation, disease and forced labour.Yeah it's not like capitalism has done the exact same is it, never killed or enslaved anyone. Hello 12 year old fillipino working 14 hour shifts for 8 pence btw.no starvation or disease caused by capitalism no siree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 I did not make any comment about LTL. I just highlighted that Andropov was a genuine maniac, not a supposed one. ETA in response to Welshbairn. The Soviet Union was an evil empire. Just ask anyone who lived in the Russia, the Ukraine, the Baltic States, East Germany, Poland or Czechoslovakia (as it was) under Soviet rule. I asked someone from Leipzig, they said it was fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 Yeah it's not like capitalism has done the exact same is it, never killed or enslaved anyone. Hello 12 year old fillipino working 14 hour shifts for 8 pence btw. no starvation or disease caused by capitalism no siree. 1. I didn't claim capitalism hadn't caused exploitation of people 2. What do you think 12 year-old Filipinos in gut-wrenching poverty would be doing if not working in sweatshops? Playing the N64? No, they'd be doing other forms of manual labour, probably in subsistence agriculture or fishing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 Global capitalism has brought the world's poorest out of the very worst of back-breaking poverty and has literally transformed the lives of billions of people. It is not comparable to Communism, the regimes of which have advocated it have the blood of tens of millions of people forced into starvation, disease and forced labour. Which in no way answers the question that I asked. Thanks for the pointless contribution though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppino Impastato Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 1. I didn't claim capitalism hadn't caused exploitation of people2. What do you think 12 year-old Filipinos in gut-wrenching poverty would be doing if not working in sweatshops? Playing the N64? No, they'd be doing other forms of manual labour, probably in subsistence agriculture or fishing. So that makes it okay then, they should probably be grateful. I think they should be at school personally and the global economic system should never require a 12 year old to give up education to work. That system is capitalism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 How many people do you think our capatilist system has killed? Take your time now... Who can forget moments like this: unless you are brainwashed that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 I don't even know what to say to this. That's a belter of a whoosh. Well done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 Global capitalism has brought the world's poorest out of the very worst of back-breaking poverty and has literally transformed the lives of billions of people. It is not comparable to Communism, the regimes of which have advocated it have the blood of tens of millions of people forced into starvation, disease and forced labour.Conservative estimates put the death tolls under that Nazis at 11 million plus and under Stalin at 27 million plus.They were both a murderous set of b*****ds. But still nowhere near Mao - estimates put deaths under his regime at over 45 million Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 Conservative estimates put the death tolls under that Nazis at 11 million plus and under Stalin at 27 million plus. They were both a murderous set of b*****ds. But still nowhere near Mao - estimates put deaths under his regime at over 45 million Per capita Pol Pot must be up there too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 Conservative estimates put the death tolls under that Nazis at 11 million plus and under Stalin at 27 million plus. They were both a murderous set of b*****ds. But still nowhere near Mao - estimates put deaths under his regime at over 45 million How many people have died as a direct result of economic sanctions? I read that over 3m Iraqi deaths could be laid at the door of the West, then we have the vietnam war and the korean war that add many more millions, slavery, the purge of the Native americans etc. etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 How many people have died as a direct result of economic sanctions? I read that over 3m Iraqi deaths could be laid at the door of the West, then we have the vietnam war and the korean war that add many more millions, slavery, the purge of the Native americans etc. etc. Economic sanctions aren't the same as capitalism though, are they? In fact, they're a specific derogation from a basic tenet of capitalism, the free movement of goods and services. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 I'd love to live in a communist society but we have never had one, nor even a close approximation, and I don't think we ever will. What I believe is achievable is a society that makes the most of entrepreneurial flair whilst protecting the most vulnerable and not allowing global capital to do just what the f**k it wants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antiochas III Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 Conservative estimates put the death tolls under that Nazis at 11 million plus and under Stalin at 27 million plus. They were both a murderous set of b*****ds. But still nowhere near Mao - estimates put deaths under his regime at over 45 million I've read alot of history books, and those that deal with the subject of "the great leap forward" are some of the most disturbing. The 45m you mention is for that period only (4 years) - and is on the higher end of the scale (estimations between 18-45m). His death toll, including war dead is much higher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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