Genuine Hibs Fan Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 9 minutes ago, alta-pete said: I thought this a very well written article on the whole thing: https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/insight-alex-salmond-inquiry-heads-final-showdown-3134295#disqus-comment-section tl;dr? Looks like it'll all end as a fudge with no-one really satisfied at the outcome. No-one outside of those with the keenest interest in politics really cares, NS carries on due to her huge personal approval ratings and AS retires a bitter old man, stymied by his own, earlier and poorly worded, legislation. Agreed. It's pretty much the only summary I've found which isn't frothing at the mouth in one direction or the other 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 51 minutes ago, alta-pete said: I thought this a very well written article on the whole thing: https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/insight-alex-salmond-inquiry-heads-final-showdown-3134295#disqus-comment-section tl;dr? Looks like it'll all end as a fudge with no-one really satisfied at the outcome. No-one outside of those with the keenest interest in politics really cares, NS carries on due to her huge personal approval ratings and AS retires a bitter old man, stymied by his own, earlier and poorly worded, legislation. 42 minutes ago, Genuine Hibs Fan said: Agreed. It's pretty much the only summary I've found which isn't frothing at the mouth in one direction or the other Ditto. It goes on a bit, but well worth reading. The Andrew Neil involvement, for me, is disturbing to say the least. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawson Park Boy Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 15 minutes ago, ICTJohnboy said: Ditto. It goes on a bit, but well worth reading. The Andrew Neil involvement, for me, is disturbing to say the least. Why?? The judge has just agreed with The Spectator. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bob Mahelp Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 15 minutes ago, ICTJohnboy said: Ditto. It goes on a bit, but well worth reading. The Andrew Neil involvement, for me, is disturbing to say the least. Every single element of this farce is loaded with bias and malicious intent. From the shabby way that the SG conducted investigations against Salmond, to his ego and thirst for revenge, to the way that The Spectator has become involved with the obvious intent of trying to de-stabilize the Scottish government. I think that article is close to the truth, in that there will be no real satisfactory end to all this. Salmond's 'bombshell evidence' will turn out to be a litany of accusations based on opinion rather than fact, and Sturgeon will be criticised for poor choices but cleared of anything underhand. And so those that are desperate for a smoking gun will be disappointed, but still the suspicion of ineptitude will hover over the SG. And nobody will be happy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTG Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 I agree with this too. One thing that comes out of this is that Murdo Fraser is a total arsehole with Jacquie Baillie not far behind. Neither should be anywhere near Twitter with the sort of stuff that's illustrated in this article. The whole thing is split on party lines, has little or nothing to do with improving matters going forward and has everything to do with posturing. Complete waste of time. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawson Park Boy Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 6 minutes ago, Bob Mahelp said: Every single element of this farce is loaded with bias and malicious intent. From the shabby way that the SG conducted investigations against Salmond, to his ego and thirst for revenge, to the way that The Spectator has become involved with the obvious intent of trying to de-stabilize the Scottish government. I think that article is close to the truth, in that there will be no real satisfactory end to all this. Salmond's 'bombshell evidence' will turn out to be a litany of accusations based on opinion rather than fact, and Sturgeon will be criticised for poor choices but cleared of anything underhand. And so those that are desperate for a smoking gun will be disappointed, but still the suspicion of ineptitude will hover over the SG. And nobody will be happy. Probably a fair summary. Still can’t see what’s wrong with the Spectator becoming involved. Both the Chairman and Editor are Scots and it has a disproportionately high number of Scots readers. A great read and has contributors from all persuasions and backgrounds. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bob Mahelp Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 10 minutes ago, Dawson Park Boy said: Probably a fair summary. Still can’t see what’s wrong with the Spectator becoming involved. Both the Chairman and Editor are Scots and it has a disproportionately high number of Scots readers. A great read and has contributors from all persuasions and backgrounds. I don't necessarily think there's anything wrong with The Spectator being involved, if it's genuinely for journalistic integrity. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 31 minutes ago, Bob Mahelp said: I think that article is close to the truth, in that there will be no real satisfactory end to all this. Salmond's 'bombshell evidence' will turn out to be a litany of accusations based on opinion rather than fact The evidence is WhatsApp messages held by the PF. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ghost of B A R P Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 Amazed to see that Garavelli article regarded in some quarters as a fair summary... Alternative TL;DR: ‘I don’t really care whether Salmond or Sturgeon come out of this worse, as long it wrecks the SNP. Tee hee’. I was astonished she only managed one Weinstein reference in the whole piece; losing her touch... People are aware, I hope, that she’s done more than other individual to facilitate identification of the complainers? (Even though that doesn’t appear to have been her intention.) Anyway, it looks as though Dorrian has allowed complainers to be referred to by name, as long as that isn’t done in relation to their status as complainers. My understanding is that this will allow Salmond and/or Aberdein to refer to individuals involved in the internal investigation... as long as they don’t make any reference to same individuals later becoming complainers. Should open things up a bit, if not entirely. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ghost of B A R P Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 3 minutes ago, Detournement said: The evidence is WhatsApp messages held by the PF. Yep. And more. It’s funny how people who are adamant there wasn’t any conspiracy (you know, the criminal kind, as opposed to ‘theories’) are suddenly keen on a fudged outcome, now that it’s increasingly clear that there was a conspiracy, but it’s failed. This ‘the whole truth will probably never come out, good and bad on both sides’ line (which is where the likes of Garavelli have gone, now that it’s clear ‘Get Salmond’ has failed) is just as deliberately dishonest as the initial ‘nothing to see here’. Why do people think it’s basically OK for govts, civil service, procurators to be corrupt? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 Why?? The judge has just agreed with The Spectator.She didn't though - she went (quite rightly) for her own compromise order. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bob Mahelp Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 45 minutes ago, The Ghost of B A R P said: Yep. And more. It’s funny how people who are adamant there wasn’t any conspiracy (you know, the criminal kind, as opposed to ‘theories’) are suddenly keen on a fudged outcome, now that it’s increasingly clear that there was a conspiracy, but it’s failed. This ‘the whole truth will probably never come out, good and bad on both sides’ line (which is where the likes of Garavelli have gone, now that it’s clear ‘Get Salmond’ has failed) is just as deliberately dishonest as the initial ‘nothing to see here’. Why do people think it’s basically OK for govts, civil service, procurators to be corrupt? You criticise other people, then sign off with some mental accusation that betrays your desperation for Nicola Sturgeon to be hung, drawn and quartered. Pardon us if we don't take you all that seriously. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bob Mahelp Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 1 hour ago, Detournement said: The evidence is WhatsApp messages held by the PF. Which legally cannot be used. That's hardly the fault of Nicola Sturgeon. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 Just now, Bob Mahelp said: Which legally cannot be used. That's hardly the fault of Nicola Sturgeon. The only thing stopping them using the Riddick and Murrell messages is the committee's choice. But everyone knows they exist so it's not going away until they are addressed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartsOfficialMoaner Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 It's almost £700,000 down the drain and is that still rising? Does anyone take the blame for that? Like getting sacked? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ghost of B A R P Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 6 minutes ago, Bob Mahelp said: You criticise other people, then sign off with some mental accusation that betrays your desperation for Nicola Sturgeon to be hung, drawn and quartered. Pardon us if we don't take you all that seriously. Take me as seriously as you like... but stop making things up, eh? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 1 minute ago, HeartsOfficialMoaner said: It's almost £700,000 down the drain and is that still rising? Does anyone take the blame for that? Like getting sacked? Yeah, clear out your desk. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartsOfficialMoaner Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 Just now, Granny Danger said: Yeah, clear out your desk. I'd take the redundancy or pension payments or whatever they'll still get paid. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 Just now, HeartsOfficialMoaner said: I'd take the redundancy or pension payments or whatever they'll still get paid. You still here? Do I have to get security to throw accompany you out? -3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alta-pete Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 1 hour ago, The Ghost of B A R P said: Yep. And more. It’s funny how people who are adamant there wasn’t any conspiracy (you know, the criminal kind, as opposed to ‘theories’) are suddenly keen on a fudged outcome, now that it’s increasingly clear that there was a conspiracy, but it’s failed. This ‘the whole truth will probably never come out, good and bad on both sides’ line (which is where the likes of Garavelli have gone, now that it’s clear ‘Get Salmond’ has failed) is just as deliberately dishonest as the initial ‘nothing to see here’. Why do people think it’s basically OK for govts, civil service, procurators to be corrupt? This is the entirely correct opinion (IMO). A wholly unsatisfactory outcome. AS is a sleazy fucker, but not criminally so. Murrell isn’t to be trusted with the tuck shop money but, as unelected, nothing can be done. NS says a big boy did it and ran away, looks at the floor and waits for it to blow over. Leslie Evans mutters something that she couldn’t remember yesterday and departs with her full pension intact. Public purse, including this escapade, is down north of £1M. And no one is left writing the cheque except us. But hey, they’ll deliver Salvation to the Scots so it’s all worth it! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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