LongTimeLurker Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 Maybe FF can provide support to FG in terms of staying in power for a year or two without a formal coalition. Will be interesting to see what unfolds on that and when and how the non-balaclava wearing left realigns itself into a single major party again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Half Rice Half Chips Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 How do you see the next coalition working, HRHC? Actually, what is the mechanism for forming a gvt in The Roi? 'Over here' Her Maj would ask, probably, the largest party to form an administration. How does it work in South Ireland? Sinn fein desperately, desperately want the "big two" of ff and fg to form a grand coalition in govt so that they will become the largest party in opposition. From there, they can spout all the populist bullshit they like and make the govt parties out to be the big bad austerity parties. Ff won't want this as they're more likely to lose votes to sf. Fg voters would never defect to sf in a million years. It's a mess, to be honest! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenconner Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 Maybe FF can provide support to FG in terms of staying in power for a year or two without a formal coalition. Will be interesting to see what unfolds on that and when and how the non-balaclava wearing left realigns itself into a single major party again. ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 Conor Murphy jumping through hoops on Radio Ulster trying to justify why they are in power in "The North" with an austerity party but won't go into power in "The South" with austerity parties. The situations are not analogous of course, as there is mandatory cross community power sharing in Northern Ireland, whereas in the RoI it is voluntary coalition, where necessary, and Fianna Fail and Fine Gael wouldn't touch SF with the proverbial barge pole anyway. Mr Murphy also confirmed that he still considers convicted tax dodger Thomas "Slab" Murphy a "good republican". Other commentators have been on, and nobody is any the wiser as to how a coalition will be cobbled together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denltfc Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 Didn’t realise there was a P&B thread on the elections. It was very interesting election and as a Fianna Fáil member I am delighted with the increase in seats after the whacking we took in 2011. The change in atmosphere out canvassing after 5 years was palpable. Doors were slammed shut in 2011 and usually mild mannered people screaming in your face. I am active in Dún Laoghaire ( I suppose think an affluent Edinburgh constituency for a Scottish example). We fucked up in our constituency and didn't win a seat but are building nicely for next time. One problem for getting FF into a coalition with FG is that FF will need to hold an Ard Fheis (Conference) to endorse any deal. I would oppose any such deal and I can guarantee a lot of rural hardcore members not seen in Dublin in 20 years will be coming down from the mountains and the bogs to vote against such a deal. It will be A FG minority government for a couple of months and then FF will pull the plug and we get a replay lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 Didn’t realise there was a P&B thread on the elections. It was very interesting election and as a Fianna Fáil member I am delighted with the increase in seats after the whacking we took in 2011. The change in atmosphere out canvassing after 5 years was palpable. Doors were slammed shut in 2011 and usually mild mannered people screaming in your face. I am active in Dún Laoghaire ( I suppose think an affluent Edinburgh constituency for a Scottish example). We fucked up in our constituency and didn't win a seat but are building nicely for next time. One problem for getting FF into a coalition with FG is that FF will need to hold an Ard Fheis (Conference) to endorse any deal. I would oppose any such deal and I can guarantee a lot of rural hardcore members not seen in Dublin in 20 years will be coming down from the mountains and the bogs to vote against such a deal. It will be A FG minority government for a couple of months and then FF will pull the plug and we get a replay lol Well, I'm glad it was you coming out with that stereotype and not any of us failed statelet residents! We'd be slaughtered as gerrymandering bigots! Anyway, good to get an analysis straight from the horse's mouth, it will be interesting to see what happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Briggs Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 ^ What are the main policy differences between FF and FG? Both appear to be centrist and very pro-EU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denltfc Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 In this election - It was about tax cuts versus public services. FG wanted to cut the USC and FF wanted to tweak it and invest more in public services. There is not a lot of difference between the two parties and they are both catch all large populist parties. There is not a distinct right v left politcal cleavage in Ireland. Even SF voters down the country are more conservative than their urban members and I doubt they go around shouting for a socialist republic. On the EU I think we were very pro EU up to recently although I have long being in the minority in FF as someone who is very euro critical. I know from the candidate I was helping the canvass team was a mix of public servants like myself also but also had teachers, postmen , barristers, general officer workers, lawyers,nurses, barmen etc. FF has a very broad membership and we won votes in every box in the consituency from Dalkey ( home to Bono etc) to Sallynoggin ( Large working class area) and probably under performed in the wealtier parts of DL. As for the slagging of rural FF members, I am a proud bogger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooky Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 Is this basically the reason we won't get a grand coalition between FG and FF, or is it more complex than that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 Is this basically the reason we won't get a grand coalition between FG and FF, or is it more complex than that? ImageUploadedByPie & Bovril1456767180.305240.jpg Pretty much what you posted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kejan Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 Very enjoyable posts and interesting posts, Dentl. I've been following the results a bit throughout the weekend, and have to say RTÉ and especially the Irish press website layout, design and reporting look light years ahead of media coverae in Scotland. I have enjoyed watching, and the Healey-Rae's seem an interesting bunch! I mind their old man with his bunnet a few years back. Not that I know much, but surprised Lucinda Creighton wasn't returned in her new party considering her high profile. Is there such a thing as a standard Election Day? Usually in the UK, it's a Thursday and I believe the last few in Ireland were on a Thursday, but this one on a Friday? Also is it a logistical reason for opening the boxes the following day? And is it the same that expats have to be in the country like the gay marriage referendum to vote? Cheers in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted February 29, 2016 Author Share Posted February 29, 2016 Very enjoyable posts and interesting posts, Dentl. I've been following the results a bit throughout the weekend, and have to say RTÉ and especially the Irish press website layout, design and reporting look light years ahead of media coverae in Scotland. I have enjoyed watching, and the Healey-Rae's seem an interesting bunch! I mind their old man with his bunnet a few years back. Not that I know much, but surprised Lucinda Creighton wasn't returned in her new party considering her high profile. Is there such a thing as a standard Election Day? Usually in the UK, it's a Thursday and I believe the last few in Ireland were on a Thursday, but this one on a Friday? Also is it a logistical reason for opening the boxes the following day? And is it the same that expats have to be in the country like the gay marriage referendum to vote? Cheers in advance. Elections are always Fridays I believe, and only citizens get to vote in referenda, if I remember right many flew home specially to vote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Half Rice Half Chips Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 Is this basically the reason we won't get a grand coalition between FG and FF, or is it more complex than that? ImageUploadedByPie & Bovril1456767180.305240.jpg That is the genesis of the split. There is no ideological or policy reason why these parties can't coalesce now. Of course they'll come out and say that they're diametrically opposed on this issue and that issue, but really it's because "my granddad fought your granddad". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35682118 Article re coalition problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Stubbs Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 Interesting that Spain and now RoI have produced messy election results. The traditional main parties in both countries have all had a shot since the financial crash and it appears nobody's impressed with any of them. You'd like to think it signals the global decline of big party dominance but if nobody can get shit sorted soon, that could very much be a false dawn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 Interesting that Spain and now RoI have produced messy election results. The traditional main parties in both countries have all had a shot since the financial crash and it appears nobody's impressed with any of them. You'd like to think it signals the global decline of big party dominance but if nobody can get shit sorted soon, that could very much be a false dawn. Fianna Fail got blamed for the crash, and Fine Gael got blamed for not sorting it, although the RoI economy has been the fastest growing in the EU in the last two years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashman Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 The Brexit referendum is the most profound poll for the Republic of Ireland this year . It is really massive . If it is stay, fine , if not there will be at least two years of massive uncertainty . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashman Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 Sf's concentrate on socialist politics in the Republic, themselves and fianna fail dropped the united Ireland rhetoric a long time ago because they know it's a surefire vote loser. As a pp said, Gerry Adams as leader is a big hindrance to sf in the Rep because of his links to the troubles. FG and Lab are a bit unlucky, they were handed a bankrupt country five years ago and told "here, fix that", did a pretty good job of it, and have gotten a boot in the balls for their efforts. GA was awful in debate and interviews and failed to articulate SF policy . This did not help SF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted March 3, 2016 Author Share Posted March 3, 2016 GA was awful in debate and interviews and failed to articulate SF policy . This did not help SF. Yup. Should have had Mary Lou as leader Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 Final results http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35715359 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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