Brexit slowly becoming a Farce.

[Suspect Device]

We'd have been paying the £50bn in any case so basically it's no change there.

[NotThePars]

2 hours ago, Granny Danger said:

Aye, how about it Jeremy?

Just how the f**k can Labour be so silent on this issue at this time?

 

 

Probably the poll lead that's gradually forming and the ongoing implosion of the Conservative Party. There's not really much to gain in coming out explicitly against it atm other than hardening Kipper support back behind the Tories.

[doulikefish]

Aye, how about it Jeremy?
Just how the f**k can Labour be so silent on this issue at this time?
 

Corbyn is a hard brexiteer

[LongTimeLurker]

1 hour ago, Suspect Device said:

What I don't understand about the DUP stance is that Northern Ireland was the 3rd biggest vote for remain in the referendum (behind Scotland and London) so why are the DUP now seen as pro "hard" Brexit...

They have painted themselves into a corner. They almost certainly do want a soft border but they steered clear of Corbyn due to his past dalliances with SF because they thought the Tories were still Unionist and assumed something would eventually get sorted out with the EU. It now turns out that they're not and it almost certainly can't without all of the UK doing a soft Brexit, which would put the Tories into complete meltdown.  Senior pro-Remain Tories need to start breaking ranks on this and collapse this government for the greater good or the whole thing is heading over the cliff to a no deal exit.

[welshbairn]

I bet May and Foster agreed this strategy before to make the DUP look staunchly intransigent to their fan base. There will be a slight modification of the language and they'll come over as heroic hard bitten negotiators and everyone will be happy by Friday.

[Granny Danger]

58 minutes ago, doulikefish said:

Corbyn is a hard brexiteer

There are times when political opportunism is not only justified but necessary.  An example being when it stops the country from stepping off the edge.

I wonder how many of Corbyn’s grass roots supporters are hard Brexiteers.

 

[NotThePars]

[welshbairn]

Just now, NotThePars said:

^^^weasel words from the resident Corbynite.

[Granny Danger]

7 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

I bet May and Foster agreed this strategy before to make the DUP look staunchly intransigent to their fan base. There will be a slight modification of the language and they'll come over as heroic hard bitten negotiators and everyone will be happy by Friday.

I’ve heard that conspiracy theory elsewhere.  Thing is it’s not just the DUP taking that position, other folk in the Tory party hold on cactly the same position.

[NotThePars]

^^^weasel words from the resident Corbynite.

Correct though, innit? Still yet to see a reason why Corbyn should listen to the people who've made losing against all the odds an art form.

[welshbairn]

4 minutes ago, NotThePars said:

 

Correct though, innit? 

 

I've no idea what it means.

12 minutes ago, NotThePars said:

 

[LongTimeLurker]

5 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

I bet May and Foster agreed this strategy before to make the DUP look staunchly intransigent to their fan base. There will be a slight modification of the language and they'll come over as heroic hard bitten negotiators and everyone will be happy by Friday.

Looks to me like Theresa May thought the DUP would bottle it and meekly acquiesce if she just ignored them and ploughed on regardless. The problem that Westminster politicians of her generation have at the moment is that they don't seem to grasp that Britannia no long rules the waves and that they have no Empire on which the sun never sets to fall back on in all of this. With Article 50 invoked prior to agreeing the future arrangements they have almost no leverage and are finally finding out just how important the European dimension that they never took seriously and largely tuned out always way to the UK's economy.

[Kejan]

Head a wee bit of parliament, and to my untrained lugs, it sounds like Davis was talking up a customs union deal for the whole UK without actually saying it.

 

Edited December 5, 2017 by Kejan

[welshbairn]

6 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said:

Looks to me like Theresa May thought the DUP would bottle it and meekly acquiesce if she just ignored them and ploughed on regardless. The problem that Westminster politicians of her generation have at the moment is that they don't seem to grasp that Britannia no long rules the waves and that they have no Empire on which the sun never sets to fall back on in all of this. With Article 50 invoked prior to agreeing the future arrangements they have almost no leverage and are finally finding out just how important the European dimension that they never took seriously and largely tuned out always way to the UK's economy.

This Belgian probably didn't help with his leaked interpretation of the draft proposal before Arlene made her press statement.

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Philippe Lamberts, a Belgian Green MEP, has told us that the UK is poised to accept that there can't be "regulatory divergence" between the North and South of Ireland after we leave the EU.
In other words, the outlines of the deal that Theresa May is likely to accept today will say that Northern Ireland will continue with more or less the same rules and regulations as the South, implying that it could, in theory, have a special deal where it more or less stays in the EU customs union and the single market.
Lamberts told me it was a concession from the UK that we were going to have to make because of the contradiction of wanting to leave both institutions, but not build a border between North and South

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42221742

[NotThePars]

15 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

I've no idea what it means.

 

 

I'm being bantered off by the desktop version right now. My apologies! Just assume it was a sick burn.

[Suspect Device]

8 minutes ago, McQuade said:

Just put a hard border up and fuk NI and the DUP, do you want to be British aye or no?

 

No I don't.

 

 

[Suspect Device]

Just now, McQuade said:

f**k you anyway.

 

That's charming.

[Fullerene]

35 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said:

Looks to me like Theresa May thought the DUP would bottle it and meekly acquiesce if she just ignored them and ploughed on regardless. The problem that Westminster politicians of her generation have at the moment is that they don't seem to grasp that Britannia no long rules the waves and that they have no Empire on which the sun never sets to fall back on in all of this. With Article 50 invoked prior to agreeing the future arrangements they have almost no leverage and are finally finding out just how important the European dimension that they never took seriously and largely tuned out always way to the UK's economy.

Actually Britannia does still have an Empire on which the sun never sets but since it consists of remote islands like Pitcairn, St Helena and Tristan de Cunha it probably doesn't have the same impact that it use to have.  Nevertheless it is nice to know where we will find our exciting new trading partners. 

[FlyerTon]

If they put a hard border up in Northern Ireland, what does that mean for the Good Friday Agreement?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/events/good_friday_agreement

Edit to add: If a hard border did go up, the Republic would surely veto Brexit and we come out with no deal?

 

 

Edited December 5, 2017 by FlyerTon

[doulikefish]

Congrats to the dup for legalising same sex marriage and abortions
They are saying they just want Ni to be the same as the rest of the uk [emoji2]